Desire

[dio9]

Christianity is vague about the cause of suffering. But without doubt realize people are suffering. They call it sin. And everyone suffers under the curse of sin. But not what causes sin. What is the cause of sin? We dance around the tree of knowledge. Never knowing. Would it help if we knew the cause of our suffering? Christianity simply doesn't give us the answer. What is the root of universal human suffering? Is it haven eaten An apple or a peach?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 20 by dio9]

The full benefits of the ransom will be part of the blessings enjoyed during what is often refered to as the Messianic rule. Jesus indicated this time would not begin until many centuries after his earthly Ministry in the first century of our common era.

QUESTION: When will the full benefits of the ransom go into action?

• While honest hearted people can reap many benefits now from the ransom - including the privilege of having a relationship with their Creator, and being gathered into his eartly organization to enjoy the rich spiritual benefit of understanding bible truths - the full benefits from the ransom will only be applied after what the bible calls Armageddon when Jesus "returns" and takes full control of planet earth. Having destroyed the wicked and cleared the earth of all human government, God's government will put into place its own "health" program (ridding mankind of all sickness), housing program (homes and land for everyone), and educations program (learning of God's standard). Sickness old age and death will at long last be things of the past as the full benefits of the ransom go into place.
  
  This is what Jesus taught his followers to pray for when he told them to pray "Let your kingdom come on earth....".

QUESTION Is there any way to know THE DATE these things will happen?

• No. Jesus indicated that it would be impossible to calculate the exact date or year of the above events. However he did give a number of "time based prophecies" that would enable Christians, elert to the signs, to identify the generation that would be alive to see these things.
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses firmly believe that the time for Jesus return is imminent .

JW



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NOTE: The above represents my BELIEFS as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[wiploc]

Christianity is vague about the cause of suffering.

It is our god-given punishment for sin.

But without doubt realize people are suffering. They call it sin.

Sin is doubting or disobeying god. Suffering is different.

Just as an example, people suffer in Hell because gods put us there too suffer. Since god wants us to suffer in Hell, if people there didn't suffer, that would be disobedient, that would be sin.

So, sometimes suffering is a virtue.

And everyone suffers under the curse of sin. But not what causes sin. What is the cause of sin? We dance around the tree of knowledge. Never knowing. Would it help if we knew the cause of our suffering? Christianity simply doesn't give us the answer. What is the root of universal human suffering? Is it haven eaten An apple or a peach?

[wiploc]

Christianity is vague about the cause of suffering.

It is our god-given punishment for sin.

But without doubt realize people are suffering. They call it sin.

Sin is doubting or disobeying god. Suffering is different.

Just as an example, people suffer in Hell because gods put us there too suffer. Since god wants us to suffer in Hell, if people there didn't suffer, that would be disobedient, that would be sin.

So, sometimes suffering is a virtue.

And everyone suffers under the curse of sin. But not what causes sin. What is the cause of sin?

It's all part of the plan.

We dance around the tree of knowledge. Never knowing. Would it help if we knew the cause of our suffering?

Gods put the tree right there, and provided the serpent, and started us off with Adam and Eve rather than Solomon and Ruth, and decided in advance that suffering would be the fate of Eve's innocent descendants.

Christianity simply doesn't give us the answer.

Sure it does.

What is the root of universal human suffering? Is it haven eaten An apple or a peach?

The glory of god is greatest if he gives the life of his son to save undeserving people. That's more impressive than sacrificing to save deserving people. For this reason, the Fall was necessary.

[jgh7]

I noticed the title is called Desire. Isn't it Buddhists who believe that desire is the source of suffering? Is that why you put desire as the title, because you subscribe to the Buddhist belief that it is the source of suffering?

[dio9]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

do you really believe death and old age are Adam and Eve's fault?

[dio9]

[Replying to post 24 by jgh7]

well yes it makes good sense to me. I am a Christian but feel honestly desire is the root cause of suffering, we can learn something here . Adam and Eve acted out of desire. There is a proverb about desire for money being the root of evil. Well They didn't have money but they had desire . Christian and Buddhist have something here. really Desire is the root .

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

do you really believe death and old age are Adam and Eve's fault?

ROMANS 5:12

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people

[jgh7]

[Replying to post 24 by jgh7]

well yes it makes good sense to me. I am a Christian but feel honestly desire is the root cause of suffering, we can learn something here . Adam and Eve acted out of desire. There is a proverb about desire for money being the root of evil. Well They didn't have money but they had desire . Christian and Buddhist have something here. really Desire is the root .

Does this mean we should never desire, or are some forms of desire acceptable? Does desire always lead to suffering or can it lead to joy and happiness as well?

[dio9]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

according to the garden story happiness comes from obeying the commandment transcending desire.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

according to the garden story happiness comes from obeying the commandment transcending desire.

Can you explain what you mean?







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