What's the point of other life?

marco · Post by **marco** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:22 pm

God in his artistry fashioned the swift cheetah, the cute sifaka, the heavy rhino and the ivory-bearing elephant, moths, mosquitoes, brilliant butterflies, toads and moles to name but a few of the many wonders. People have looked round and remarked on the beauty of an orchid or a rainbow. Some deadly bacteria look wonderful under the microscope; the designer must have been especially happy designing them.

We have people saying God made us to love and serve him, with promises of chocolates in Paradise. That's nice. But what of those nasty bacteria that kill us? What is their pupose. Can they be a legacy of Adam's crime? God made the dinosaurs but not for man to enjoy. Were they a mistake?

Why did God make all these other life forms? And why did Jesus never mention our duty of care towards other planetary life?

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:45 pm

God made the dinosaurs but not for man to enjoy.

According to the faithful folk at the Creation Theme Park (it's NOT a museum) the biblical versions of "God" DID have the mud-man and his rib-woman enjoy the company of dinosaurs.

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This was perfectly safe because in the Genesis 1 creation myth, all living things - including fire-breathing leviathans - were vegetarian ... and quite possibly vegan ...!

marco · Post by **marco** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:57 pm

StuartJ wrote:

According to the faithful folk at the Creation Theme Park (it's NOT a museum) the biblical versions of "God" DID have the mud-man and his rib-woman enjoy the company of dinosaurs.

This was perfectly safe because in the Genesis 1 creation myth, all living things - including fire-breathing leviathans - were vegetarian ... and quite possibly vegan ...!

This is indeed a revelation; not of course a Revelation with specific beastly numbers but good to know that our forefathers had pet dinosaurs. It's such a pity Adam transgressed and got God to do bad things to the world.

But levity aside, I wonder what the divine plan was in generating a multiplicity of species. To confuse us or provide food for sharks and tigers?

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:19 pm

marco wrote: God in his artistry fashioned the swift cheetah, the cute sifaka, the heavy rhino and the ivory-bearing elephant, moths, mosquitoes, brilliant butterflies, toads and moles to name but a few of the many wonders. People have looked round and remarked on the beauty of an orchid or a rainbow. Some deadly bacteria look wonderful under the microscope; the designer must have been especially happy designing them.

We have people saying God made us to love and serve him, with promises of chocolates in Paradise. That's nice. But what of those nasty bacteria that kill us? What is their pupose. Can they be a legacy of Adam's crime? God made the dinosaurs but not for man to enjoy. Were they a mistake?

Why did God make all these other life forms? And why did Jesus never mention our duty of care towards other planetary life?

PCE Christianity contends:
this earth is NOT an expression of HIS original creation but is a response to the choice of some to be sinners and it is more of a prison for psychopaths and the rules and environment they deserve than an expression of greater holy society.

We were all created ingenuously innocent with an equal ability and opportunity to choose to be perfectly righteous or perfectly eternally evil. Then we chose. Then earth was created as a prison for those who chose to be sinners, and all sinners were sent here.

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:50 pm

But what of those nasty bacteria that kill us? What is their pupose.

And the Elohim said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

If bacteria consider their "purpose", their "meaning of life", I am certain they don't do it with a biblical anthropocentric worldview.

Take the Cannnanite Elohim out of the consideration and bacteria have as much "purpose" as humans.

And from the point of view of the non-human denizens of God's good Earth, the creation of humans was the worst thing that could have happened ...

Today and in 2348 BCE when both the biblical Elohim and the biblical Yahweh open the windows of the biblical Dome of Heaven and let in the water of the universe outside and drowned all but a handful of innocent animals who had to live in squalid conditions on a stinking wooden boat for over a year ...

And then have some of themselves burned on an altar to tranquilise the genocidal mythological deity who got so wrathful he just HAD to send the deluge ... instead of having a quiet parental chat with his human creations ...

Or just putting a rainbow in the sky in the first place to remind them who was "God" and they had better keep worshipping ...

OR ELSE ...!

Jagella · Post by **Jagella** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:06 pm

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

The answers to your questions should be obvious: there is no sensible way to make the world "fit" a god who is all wise and all knowing. We atheists have no problem at all explaining the way the world is while Christians struggle to explain the state of the world. Those who made up the gods were poor philosophers not knowing that their gods were illogical.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:59 pm

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

Well as one of Jehovah's Witnesses I don't believe God originally created any life form to be "deadly" in the sense it's sole purpose was to kill.

Of course we can speak of gravity as being a deadly force since if one jumped off a great height it would probably prove deadly, but like various germs and bacteria, the purpose of gravity is not to kill but to enable things to stay or return to the ground and making life on the planet livable. In a similar way I believe God nothing in God's creation was originally intrinsically deadly.

The online article "Good vs Bad germs: points out the following

"In fact, our bodies are home to an estimated 100 trillion "good" bacteria, many of which reside in our gut. Not only do we live in harmony with these beneficial bacteria, but they are actually essential to our survival. "
https://www.healthline.com/health/cold- ... ad-germs#1

Indeed if God created humans in perfect harmony with a balanced environment, then no germs or bugs would have been be beyond the human body to cope with and arguably, the "lethal" bugs, plants* and viruses we fear today would not have evolved to be such.

* Whether there were any poisonous plants in the garden of Eden is debatable:

GENESIS 2:9

Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree that was pleasing to look at and good for food - NWT

In short, I believe that originally God created all living things in perfect balance and that as such all bugs would have been "good" bugs.

NOTE: I am not claiming to know the mind of God, my comments are the result of applying critical thinking skills to my analysis of the bible which I believe to be the word of God. All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

JW

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1213 · Post by **1213** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:00 am

marco wrote: ...But what of those nasty bacteria that kill us? What is their pupose.

Maybe the purpose is to let us to know what evil is, as people in the beginning wanted. Legacy of Adam and Eve is this death, where we are living. This is like lesson of good and evil. That is why all kind of bad things are possible here so that we can learn what it is to be without God and His protection. Luckily this is just short lesson and nothing of this world can destroy soul, which in Biblical point of view is the important thing.

marco wrote: God made the dinosaurs but not for man to enjoy. Were they a mistake?

I dont believe God makes mistakes. And I think many people enjoy dinosaurs, even though we now have only the bones.

marco wrote:Why did God make all these other life forms? And why did Jesus never mention our duty of care towards other planetary life?

Jesus said that we should love, I think taking care is included in that. But why atheist would say we have duty to do something?

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