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Replying to post 61 by TheGreatDebate]
I don't understand the dilemma. If there is a deity that created everything then of course "morality" would fall under that. "Morality" would be nothing more than His opinion.
Getting a GODs opinion is fraught with problematicism.
It is all very well proclaiming some verbally expressed script as being a GODs opinion, but by then it is already too late to count as a matter of fact. The problem is the medium. Once a GOD uses a Medium, "problematicism"
A true deity would not be beholden to higher laws of "morality" or anything else other than Himself.
Panentheism has it that a 'true deity' amounts to anyone who can do this. In relation to the 'made in GOD's image' theory {
explained in greater detail here} all human beings have the same potential, although most swap that power for
false promises from the worlds Mods.
We can superimpose whatever views that would be reprehensible to us today or acceptable to us today (that may or may not represent mankind in general at different points in time) and compare God to them (as I believe Satan did in the garden) but what an arrogant piece of biomass we would be to tell our creator that he offends us.
That is the problem right there. Welcome to the forum!
When one has been convinced by the world Mods that one was 'created', (or 'evolved') one essentially gives up the understanding of being an aspect of GOD. One now believes that a GOD (or a mindless process) "created" them and that one is merely a "piece of biomass" and an arrogant one at that!
Problematicism
I actually do believe in a deity and it is the one spoken of in both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament.
So one publicly confesses to ones exchanging of one's power to the Mod's of False Beliefs for the comforting pillow of promise of rewards to come.
This is an old argument (read Rom 9) and I thank you for bringing up modern Christian hypocrisy. As the scriptures say, "I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isa 45:7)" The answer to that supposed "dilemma" is discussed in Romans 9.
Exactly what almost every "piece of biomass" human being does and can confess to being able to do.
My questions to you would be that if there was a verifiable deity that created you and that you accepted as real and he told you to do something that you didn't like, would you refute him?
Hardly matters. It is more than enough that there are "pieces of biomasses" going around proclaiming to speak for such a he-GOD, and I am able to refute them. They threaten me with a time when the GOD will come through some inter-dimensional portal and deal to me, at some unknown point in the future, but I suspect they are scare-mongering on behalf of the World Mods.
Would you quote unquote fall into the same dilemma as modern Christianity does with their god?
It doesn't sound like that would be something I would contemplate.
If some inter-dimensional entity species proclaiming to be my creator GOD, turned up on the world stage today, I would think of it like most modern day, critical-thinking human beings would think of such an event.
I even created a thread hereabouts to discuss that very subject!
Jesus' Return
Problem's associated with this belief...
And;
Talking About Aliens ... About Jesus Returning...
If there wasn't, would you arbitrarily subject everyone else to your personal opinions of morality? Or would you fall in line with the subjective moral majority of the given time?
I would tolerate it if it allowed any opportunity for me to be able to try and encourage Christians to stop waiting for the promise of Jesus to return to reward them by him doing something for them which they all could have helped achieve for themselves and everyone else.
