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The Russia Hoax

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In another thread a debater said the following

Oh yeah, the hoax that revealed significant interference from Russia, where a number of high profile Trump associates have been jailed. The hoax where the main reason given for not making an explicit charge against Trump was that a president cannot be indicted so it's best handle via impeachment?

Question for debate

1. Was there any significant interference from Russia in the 2016 election?

2. Were any high profile Trump associates jailed in connection with this Russian interference?

3. What charges, connected to the Russian interference, would have been brought against Trump if he could have been indicted?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 2: Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:20 pm
Re: The Russia Hoax

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Is the Mueller Report considered credible here? You can find the exact wording and context here.

1) I make do with this sound bite. "The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion." There is a lot more detail in the report.

2) Jailed in connection with this Russian interference? Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos. We can add Paul Manafort to the list if we widen the criteria to jailed in connection with the investigation into Russian interference. There is also Rick Gates who is convicted, but still awaiting sentence.

3) Obstruction of justice, the report highlighted these issues:

The Campaign's response to reports about Russian support for Trump.
Conduct involving FBI Director Comey and Michael Flynn.
The President's reaction to the continuing Russia investigation.
The President's termination of Comey.
The appointment of a Special Counsel and efforts to remove him.
Efforts to curtail the Special Counsel's investigation.
Efforts to prevent public disclosure of evidence.
Further efforts to have the Attorney General take control of the investigation.
Efforts to have White House Counsel Don McGahn deny that the President had ordered him to have the Special Counsel removed.
Conduct towards Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort.
Conduct involving Michael Cohen.

There is also this gem "the President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

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