Is your sin "Original"?

[polonius]

Another bible fiction which became rather pervasive in Christianity is the claim of the "stain" of Original Sin (the first sin of Adam) of which we all bear the guilt even though we were born thousand of years after it was committed.

Because we all have this "stain," a "merciful God"(?) damns the unbaptized to spend eternity suffering in hell even infants who die. Or so the story goes.

Later on it was agreed that this was rather harsh, so the unbaptized not guilty of any serious sin were consigned to 'Limbo" a state of "natural happiness" in which, however, the person is denied the beatific vision of God which was important for some reason.

Many Catholics and Protestants haven't kept up so don't realize that Pope Francis abolished it obviously because it was realized that it was a fiction.

However, the full effect of this hasn't been felt yet. The Catholic Church's "doctrine" of Mary's Immaculate Conception is also void if there is no Original Sin to begin with.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell, purgatory, limbo or the immaculate conception of Mary (the mother of Jesus), none of these things are bible teachings.

The bible does however speak of all becoming sinners because of Adam (see Romans 5:12).

JW

[ttruscott]

The bible does however speak of all becoming sinners because of Adam (see Romans 5:12).

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

I disagree.

It is just as easily understood to be telling us that DEATH spread to all men because all men were sinners already... there is no causative necessity between his death spreading to us as the CAUSE for our sin...iow, this verse does NOT deny the possibility that we chose to be sinners by our own free will in the spirit realm pre-earth.

The only reason to accept inherited sin in this verse is the theological pre-assumption that we had no life pre-earth to sin by free will so to be born sinful we must have been created as evil in Adam's genetics.

I know you probably have a thousand essays and nice pictures to deny my belief but I cannot accept that it is loving nor righteously just to create evil or to create evil people by making them human in Adam's line...GOD's love cannot create evil. Light cannot create dark.

[JehovahsWitness]

The bible does however speak of all becoming sinners because of Adam (see Romans 5:12).

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

I disagree.

It is just as easily understood to be telling us that DEATH spread to all men because all men were sinners already...

Except the word "already" isn't in the scripture.

ADAM -> SIN [ to the world ] -> SIN -> DEATH

[historia]

Many Catholics and Protestants haven't kept up so don't realize that Pope Francis abolished it obviously because it was realized that it was a fiction.

Your argument here is unclear. What is "it" that Pope Francis has abolished?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell, purgatory, limbo or the immaculate conception of Mary (the mother of Jesus), none of these things are bible teachings.

The bible does however speak of all becoming sinners because of Adam (see Romans 5:12).

JW

Yes, this is what the Bible teaches, and if we throw that out why not just throw out the entire Bible? Some folks here are frequently calling into question the validity of things said there.

[Peds nurse]

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

The immaculate conception of Mary had me for a minute, as I thought it was in the Gospels.....but I looked it up, and I agree, it is not Biblical. I'm not familiar with Catholic theologies...forgive me.

[Peds nurse]

I believe in original sin. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, sin entered the world through them. It is theit original sin that is the downfall of man, and which continues generation after generation.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 8 by Peds nurse]

I agree.

To reiterate....When Adam and Eve began to die, as God told them they would, their perfection was gone and because they could not pass perfect DNA on to their children, their children inherited imperfection and death. Totally not their children's fault. That is why God made the way out by having Jesus come and sacrifice his perfect human life so that the scales of justice could be evened off---a perfect man (Adam, who caused the death of many) balanced against another perfect man (Jesus, who has provided the way for many to attain to everlasting life). Jesus' sacrifice covered over the results of the rebellion of the first man.

[Tcg]

To reiterate....When Adam and Eve began to die, as God told them they would, their perfection was gone and because they could not pass perfect DNA on to their children, their children inherited imperfection and death.

Please provide a reference to scripture that mentions DNA. A connection with any mention of a perfect DNA would be a bonus.



Tcg