Are atheists born or made?

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Re: Are atheists born or made?

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[Replying to post 39 by Tcg]

OK answer me why Christians want laws that allow them to be bigots and hate others? They want to hate gays for one. Tell me all about the atheists that hate gays and will not service them.

What about the good kind Christians that brunt woman for being witches?

What about the kind religious folks that killed thousands September 9th???????
They did that because they were unkind atheists??

What about the devote religious that belive in the same god as the Jews and Christians that blowup babies and children? They are not atheist. Tell me the last time an atheist strapped a bomb to themselves and blew up children?

We are all born atheists and are brainwashed into our parents religious beliefs.

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Re: Are atheists born or made?

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[Replying to post 41 by Donray]

I'm not sure how this addresses my post. Perhaps it is a reply to the poster I quoted?


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Re: Are atheists born or made?

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Are atheists born or made?

Born, at least in the aspect that they don't believe in anything. A belief is learned by outside influence and experience. When you're born, you know nothing of anything. You just eat, sleep and poop. Everything else is gained knowledge that comes along the way.

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Re: Are atheists born or made?

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harvey1 wrote: I think there's a reasonable case to be made that some people have a physical predisposition toward atheism. Having talked to atheists for many years I notice a preference to these points as being reasonable beliefs:

1) Something can come from absolutely nothing.
2) There could exist a cause for every effect going back in time without any beginning.
3) Fine-tuning presupposes a design objective that when nature is properly understood does not exist so there is no coincidence problem with the physical constants.
4) Consciousness is merely electrochemical processes in the brain that results (or is identical with) consciousness that is itself causally efficacious as an emergent system of the brain.
5) Etc.

Now each of these beliefs strike me as ridiculous once we get to the nitty gritty as to what they actually mean. But, surprising to me, atheists continue to defend these beliefs, and not only defend they often expect others to think it is irrational to deny them.

So, given that these are often intelligent folks making these claims, this leads me to ponder whether there is a physical predisposition to see the world atheistically. It seems that there is reason to believe this is the case.
Some evolutionary psychologists have suggested that all modern human beings have an evolved capacity to perceive agency where none actually exists. This tendency to falsely presume an observed pattern in nature was deliberately caused by an agent is known as a Type 1 cognitive error.

This instinct to believe, for example, that the sound of rustling emanating from the nearby bushes is being caused by another living creature rather than just the wind blowing through the leaves has been advantageous to our survival as a species. When our ancient ancestors took immediate action to protect themselves after falsely presuming the rustling sound from the bushes was caused by a large predatory animal sneaking up on them, their Type 1 cognitive error in that moment did not negatively impact their ability to survive and reproduce. However, had they falsely believed the rustling sound was the result of wind blowing through the leaves when it was actually caused by a man-eating predator about to pounce on them, that Type 2 cognitive error would have drastically reduced their probability of surviving long enough to produce offspring. So, it was the genetic predisposition to make more Type 1 than Type 2 cognitive errors that was passed down to subsequent generations. Thus, the genetic predisposition to make more Type 2 than Type 1 cognitive errors was all but eliminated by the process of natural selection.

Therefore, we can infer from this analysis that atheists will instinctively react to rustling in the bushes as though the sound was caused by another living creature in the same way as a theist would. The only difference is that most atheists are willing to acknowledge the possibility that they might have made a Type 1 cognitive error in that presumption, subsequently search for falsifiable hypotheses that might explain the cause of the rustling sound from the bushes, and conduct tests designed to rule-out all but the single most reasonable explanation supported by the evidence. In this way, atheists are in the best position to discover if the belief about the rustling in the bushes being caused by another living creature is correct or mistaken. Many theist, on the other hand, would seem to be content with simply having faith that the sound of rustling they heard coming from the bushes could have only been caused by another living creature and appear to be confused by the atheists subsequent attempts to discover if it could have merely been the wind blowing through the leaves.

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MY take on what the bible says about this?

I accept that all sinners are self made by their free will choice and then they are sown into the world to be conceived and born as human.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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ttruscott wrote: MY take on what the bible says about this?

I accept that all sinners are self made by their free will choice and then they are sown into the world to be conceived and born as human.
Can that claim be tested to determine if it is false? What would that test look like?

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