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Why Doesn't God Destroy the New Tower of Babel, or Change Everyone's Language?

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Man has now far exceeded the Tower of Babel, sending people to the Moon, hundreds of satellites into orbit, and more out of the solar system. God was supposedly threatened by a little Ziggurat and man's boldness in Genesis 11. Is he sleeping? Dead?
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Diogenes wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:13 pm Man has now far exceeded the Tower of Babel, sending people to the Moon, hundreds of satellites into orbit, and more out of the solar system. God was supposedly threatened by a little Ziggurat and man's boldness in Genesis 11. Is he sleeping? Dead?
He repented and set the Milky Way in the sky as a divine symbol of his promise that he would never do anything like that again. And the people were joyful, and did feast upon the sloths, wombats and fruit - bats, and became so besozzeled with strong liquor that they forgot to write it down; and so it never got into the Bible.

But fear not, for I have written it here, and unless you can disprove it 100% that it didn't happen, it happened, for that is how Biblical exegesis works.

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Diogenes wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:13 pm Man has now far exceeded the Tower of Babel, sending people to the Moon, hundreds of satellites into orbit, and more out of the solar system. God was supposedly threatened by a little Ziggurat and man's boldness in Genesis 11. Is he sleeping? Dead?
Maybe He doesn't believe man has sent anyone to the moon? :D

Interesting thing is, the reason why people wanted to built the tower was to prevent people to be scattered. So, in a way it was like the first attempt for a one world government. It was attempt to control and rule people. And apparently it was not what God liked.

"They said, “Come, let’s build us a city, and a tower, whose top reaches to the sky, and let’s make us a name; lest we be scattered abroad on the surface of the whole earth.”
Gen. 11:4

Now, as you may know, people are again trying that same thing, one world government to rule them all, one government to find them, one government to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. Also this time God will put end to the tyranny. However, we are not there yet.
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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:07 am
Diogenes wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:13 pm Man has now far exceeded the Tower of Babel, sending people to the Moon, hundreds of satellites into orbit, and more out of the solar system. God was supposedly threatened by a little Ziggurat and man's boldness in Genesis 11. Is he sleeping? Dead?
Maybe He doesn't believe man has sent anyone to the moon? :D

Interesting thing is, the reason why people wanted to built the tower was to prevent people to be scattered. So, in a way it was like the first attempt for a one world government. It was attempt to control and rule people. And apparently it was not what God liked.

"They said, “Come, let’s build us a city, and a tower, whose top reaches to the sky, and let’s make us a name; lest we be scattered abroad on the surface of the whole earth.”
Gen. 11:4

Now, as you may know, people are again trying that same thing, one world government to rule them all, one government to find them, one government to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. Also this time God will put end to the tyranny. However, we are not there yet.
So long as that government is neither Autocratic or Theocratic, it might not be so bad. Thing is, while the Dangers :o are well appreciated, the motive behind that particular argument is even worse - 'Our Cult is Above the Law' and we've seen how that plays out. However, aside pretzelling Bible legends into modern -day political swipes again the opponents, I did do Babel not too long ago and where we ended up was science denial - that different languages evolved (by all reason and evidence) that the Chinese spoke early Chinese, Sumerians spoke proto Sumerian and Egyptian writing was beginning before the Ziggurats as no doubt the first Sumerian symbols and even without a predecessing continuous culture, is on evidence the same language they later spoke, before there is any evidence of Ziggurats, let alone one big enough to reach to heaven.

All the evidence was against a single language that spread to all parts of the globe and for each culture evolving its' own language. Before one even gets to seeing a mangled and wangled use of the Ziggurat of Babylon by the writers of the Biblical Origin stories (Genesis and Exodus, which also show borrowings from Babylonian material) to concoct this rather absurd story. And the way it works is that it has to show that it is true, not hard real time written down evidence (because indirect evidence won't do) to prove that it is false. Not that it couldn't be denied, even if we had the direct evidence. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind.

And even aside that there is no evidence of spectacularly large Ziggurats were extant or even feasible (rather like a 600 foot long Ark) it would not reach to 'Heaven' even if it reached the moon. Slice it where you like, the story is ridiculous. However, the whole story is set out fair and square here:


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TRANSPONDER wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:22 pm ..... Slice it where you like, the story is ridiculous. However, the whole story is set out fair and square here:
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I agree that humans are ridiculous. Why else they would print the same plan also to the dollar bill and try doing the same mistake over and over again?
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1213 wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:29 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:22 pm ..... Slice it where you like, the story is ridiculous. However, the whole story is set out fair and square here:
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I agree that humans are ridiculous. Why else they would print the same plan also to the dollar bill and try doing the same mistake over and over again?
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I didn't say that humans are ridiculous (though I don't deny it ;) ) but the story of the tower of Babel is ridiculous. Demonstrably and undeniably ridiculous. And I'm not proposing to get dragged onto discussing the design on US currency.

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:22 am ....but the story of the tower of Babel is ridiculous. ...
Sorry, I don't see any intelligent reason to think so, if we speak about what Bible actually says, not about someones own interpretation of it.
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1213 wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:27 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:22 am ....but the story of the tower of Babel is ridiculous. ...
Sorry, I don't see any intelligent reason to think so, if we speak about what Bible actually says, not about someones own interpretation of it.
But the tower of Babel story is plain enough. The only 'Interpretation' is what Bible apologists do when they argue that it's'Metaphorical'. If, however they claim it happened moreor less as it says in Genesis, it is ridiculous. As well as being science -denialist as science says plainly that diversity of language did not happen like that. Languages evolved on divergent courses and were 'scattered' in various tribes before they had proper languages at all, and that was before they even started farming and building stone huts, never mind Ziggurats.

Fact is that Genesis is False start to finish, unless one makes it "Metaphorical" ('not true') or denies science,at least whereit contradicts the Bible.

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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:07 amInteresting thing is, the reason why people wanted to built the tower was to prevent people to be scattered. So, in a way it was like the first attempt for a one world government. It was attempt to control and rule people. And apparently it was not what God liked.
It speaks to the reason for the flood too. If too many people are evil it doesn't leave you a real choice; you're just forced to do what everyone else is, just to get along.

And of course you can say, "But, then the expectation is just to be righteous and let yourself be taken advantage of and die of it," but if there are so many evil people that many people have never even met a good one, how is anyone even suspected to know that? If everyone is doing something, the rational result of thoughtful inquiry into, "Is this wrong? This might be wrong?" is usually, "Eh I must be crazy."

Part of this natural and correct result is even Biblical as you're called on to be humble and don't tell me there isn't some extreme hubris required in thinking that all these other people are defunct and you're the only one who has it right.

I don't happen to believe any of this literally happened but when a thread starts out, "Why didn't God...?" you are asking that question within the bounds of a story's canon. If it's true and applies to our universe then we can probably expect that attempts to unify people under an unrighteous system will somehow fail. Or it'll be the last days. (But not attempts to go to the moon because this was a competition between countries, rather the opposite of an attempt to unify all countries.) If it's not true it still works as a "don't do it" against something that probably does have bad results so I can't argue with it on a mythological basis. Why do I think it has bad results? Because monopolies are bad, m'kay? If people can flee crappy governments, they can end in collapse. People have to treat their citizens at some bare minimum of respect (which may be well below what human rights dictate but it's something) or they will try to get away. As long as there are multiple countries, they can get away, and that's a good thing.

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Purple Knight wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:36 pm
I don't happen to believe any of this literally happened but when a thread starts out, "Why didn't God...?" you are asking that question within the bounds of a story's canon. If it's true and applies to our universe then we can probably expect that attempts to unify people under an unrighteous system will somehow fail.
There is no reason to believe such attempts would fail. In the beginning God's judgment indicated that the lines for the two camps were already drawn. There is no question, the world system under Satans rulehas effectivly set up an "alternative" to God's kingdom. "Uniting" people under the same power, in the same global system. Ullimate control has always been the holy grail of this satanic system and all the confusing of the languages at Babel did was slow down its progress.

Purple Knight wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:36 pm Or it'll be the last days.
Biblically the last days are now; and yes its taken 5000 years but humanity has been dragged back to the tower. Whether we call it centralized governance, New World Order, the Internet of Everything, a luciferian led technocaracy, the 4th industrial revolution, it doesnt matter, it all culminates with the biblical point at which "peace and security" will be announced. And we all know what will happens next.
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