Billions of Years to Form a Bond and a Relationship

[Skeptical]

[1213]

...When it came to the part concerning the match between the integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus, was it really an even exchange since Adam who lived for maybe a few months with a relationship with God (who really knows), while Jesus, before he became Jesus, lived with God and had a relationship with God and bonded with God for billions of years? Anyone have any thoughts?

My thought is, it would be best to remain in what the Bible says. The idea of "...integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus..." sounds something that is outside of Bible and not good.

[Skeptical]

...When it came to the part concerning the match between the integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus, was it really an even exchange since Adam who lived for maybe a few months with a relationship with God (who really knows), while Jesus, before he became Jesus, lived with God and had a relationship with God and bonded with God for billions of years? Anyone have any thoughts?

My thought is, it would be best to remain in what the Bible says. The idea of "...integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus..." sounds something that is outside of Bible and not good.

So, is there a better way to sum up point no. 4 and no. 5 from the jw.org article that I quoted?

[myth-one.com]

Therefore, what I was wondering about was: When it came to the part concerning the match between the integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus, was it really an even exchange since Adam who lived for maybe a few months with a relationship with God (who really knows), while Jesus, before he became Jesus, lived with God and had a relationship with God and bonded with God for billions of years? Anyone have any thoughts?

Welcome, Skeptical!

Your confusing Jesus with the Word. It's a very common error!

The Word is God.

Jesus was the Word made flesh as a man.

Your post states this correctly: "while Jesus, before he became Jesus."

Before Jesus became Jesus, there was no Jesus.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Skeptical in post #1]
It's not the length of time that is important to the strength of relationships, but the quality. Adam did not appreciate all the good things given to him by Jehovah. He was perfect, yet chose to go against God and become independent of Him. Jesus did appreciate everything from Jehovah, and he proved that a perfect man could maintain integrity, though Adam eschewed it. The whole point is that Jesus loved God enough to suffer agony and death, though Adam did not love God enough to show Him his love by leaving the one tree alone. "Just as through the disobedience of the one man [Adam] many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one person [Jesus] many will be constituted righteous." (Romans 5:19) That's the bottom line....who showed obedience and integrity? It didn't matter how long the relationship was for. BTW, Adam undoubtedly was alive for many years even before Eve came on the scene. Not billions of years, but enough to show what he really thought about the law-giving heavenly Father.

[JehovahsWitness]

...I could have sworn that their Bible used to say a "corresponding ransom" at one time...with my luck, is probably outdated too

What do you mean "at one time" ...If you don'tmind le asking ...are you an ex-Witness or a disfellowshipped person? I ask because you indicate you are familiar with our literature / translations from the past.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[JehovahsWitness]

My thought is, it would be best to remain in what the Bible says. The idea of "...integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus..." sounds something that is outside of Bible and not good.

Are you suggesting the word and/ or the notion of "integrity" is non-biblical?

Or are you suggesting that the bible does not link Adam (and his actions in Eden) with Jesus and his sacrifice?

Are you suggesting that the question of obedience was not central to the events in Eden ?


I'm struggling to see what exactly is "outside of Bible " in any of the above.

[Purple Knight]

As far as sacrifices and exchanges are concerned, is there anything that says that the payer can't overpay?

If God wants a snow-white lamb and you offer two of them, is that wrong? Have you done anyone a disservice? Has anyone been offended? Has anyone even been upset?

We may not be able to "make change" so to speak, and for example, if we only have a conjoined lamb we must sacrifice the whole thing or nothing. But for all we know, the universe could easily be set up to make proper change if we overpay. It just can't remedy the situation if we decide to be stingy and keep the conjoined lamb, since that's a matter of free will.

[1213]

My thought is, it would be best to remain in what the Bible says. The idea of "...integrity between the perfect man Adam and the perfect man Jesus..." sounds something that is outside of Bible and not good.

Are you suggesting the word and/ or the notion of "integrity" is non-biblical?

Or are you suggesting that the bible does not link Adam (and his actions in Eden) with Jesus and his sacrifice?

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Yes, Bible links Adam and Eve, by showing that by Adam we were expelled from God and by Jesus we have opportunity to come back to God. But, it does not mean they were both perfect, or that both of them had to be perfect.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, Bible links Adam and Eve, by showing that by Adam we were expelled from God and by Jesus we have opportunity to come back to God. But, it does not mean they were both perfect, or that both of them had to be perfect.

We believe that Adam and Eve were indeed created perfect since they were created by God who does nothing that is short of perfection (see Deut 32:4)



JW