2024:Accept Genesis as allegorical! Why not?

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2024:Accept Genesis as allegorical! Why not?

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This is the footstool of the Bible.
"God made man in his own image and likeness."
What does that even mean?
Let's get all this behind us going forward.
Opinions welcome.

"Allegorical means containing a moral or hidden meaning. Allegorical stories and plays use concrete ideas as symbols for deeper or layered meanings. Folk tales and fables are often allegorical."
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Re: 2024:Accept Genesis as allegorical! Why not?

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Look at this, this is this persons sincerely held opinion, I just fundamentally disagree with it.

Otseng -
Post 3521 -"Then we'll go on and assume you believe that God is the creator of all and is above time and the source of morality and goodness and created all of us as image bearers"
Post 3492 - "Since God is the creator of all and above time and he is the source of morality and goodness, then the morality instilled in us as image bearers of God would make it objective.

Otseng attempts to apply human logic and modus and morality to God based on a throw-away Eden reference.

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Re: 2024:Accept Genesis as allegorical! Why not?

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Masterblaster wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:43 am Hello
This is the footstool of the Bible.
"God made man in his own image and likeness."
What does that even mean?
Let's get all this behind us going forward.
Opinions welcome.

"Allegorical means containing a moral or hidden meaning. Allegorical stories and plays use concrete ideas as symbols for deeper or layered meanings. Folk tales and fables are often allegorical."
Let us make man in our image. They are spirit, so it isn't physical. An image is a representation of something or in this case, someone. Genesis 5:3 says the same of Adam and his son.
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Re: 2024:Accept Genesis as allegorical! Why not?

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Masterblaster wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:47 am Hello
Look at this, this is this persons sincerely held opinion, I just fundamentally disagree with it.

Otseng -
Post 3521 -"Then we'll go on and assume you believe that God is the creator of all and is above time and the source of morality and goodness and created all of us as image bearers"
Post 3492 - "Since God is the creator of all and above time and he is the source of morality and goodness, then the morality instilled in us as image bearers of God would make it objective.

Otseng attempts to apply human logic and modus and morality to God based on a throw-away Eden reference.

Help to sort this out!
Throw away? Deliberate underemphasis for increased dramatic effect? Not sure what you mean. Are you saying the quoted responses are an example of Occam's Razor? Our creator created; we are creative. Goodness is subjective, and is instilled within us; image bearer implies to me representation. We are created to be a reflection of God's righteousness. That is our goal as Seth would manifest Adam's qualities, for better or worse, but not necessarily in harmony with those should he deviate from them. Adam could have been an unpleasant person while Seth wasn't. Or conversely. Autonomy.
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Re: 2024:Accept Genesis as allegorical! Why not?

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Is the verse saying God made man in his image the only verse in Genesis you of considering as allegorical? Any others?

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Hello Mae von H

No, the whole thing!
It is a later edition creation myth for the early writers of the Bible with a message that was truth to them within their beliefs.
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Hello Data
You say - "We are created to be a reflection of God's righteousness."

There is a fundamental problem with all this. Permit me to go backwards . There is a huge percentage of dodgy Christian dogma sitting on a literal interpretation of Genesis. Consider your excellent point about Adam and Seth. The fact is Data that a whole theology based on the Son of God has been reverse linked through the Seth reference to the God/Adam relationship displayed in early Genesis.

Will Christianity accept your analysis that Jesus is merely a reflection of God's righteousness. What do you think Data. I doubt it!
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Masterblaster wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:50 am [Replying to Mae von H in post #5]

Hello Mae von H

No, the whole thing!
It is a later edition creation myth for the early writers of the Bible with a message that was truth to them within their beliefs.
Later? When?
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Masterblaster wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:50 am [Replying to Mae von H in post #5]

Hello Mae von H

No, the whole thing!
It is a later edition creation myth for the early writers of the Bible with a message that was truth to them within their beliefs.
Okay, but that’s not the whole thing. The creation story only takes the first 3 chapters, and the first chapter is a liturgical prologue. Are saying that all 50 chapters are allegorical, or just chapters 2 and 3?
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Masterblaster wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:09 pm [Replying to Data in post #4]

Hello Data
You say - "We are created to be a reflection of God's righteousness."
Yes. I said that. What does the Bible say?
Masterblaster wrote: There is a fundamental problem with all this. Permit me to go backwards . There is a huge percentage of dodgy Christian dogma sitting on a literal interpretation of Genesis.
Is there? Such as?
Masterblaster wrote: Consider your excellent point about Adam and Seth. The fact is Data that a whole theology based on the Son of God has been reverse linked through the Seth reference to the God/Adam relationship displayed in early Genesis.
Oh, Willy. I mean, really? What does that even mean?
Masterblaster wrote: Will Christianity accept your analysis that Jesus is merely a reflection of God's righteousness. What do you think Data. I doubt it!
Does it matter?
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