Holy Spirit - blaspheme against the Holy Spirit

[Wootah]

Mark 3:28-29
New International Version
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

[Difflugia]

Mark 3:28-29
New International Version
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

For Mark, "Holy Spirit" means the power of God that enters into people to allow them to perform His will. Note Mark 12:36, where the "Holy Spirit" is what allows David to write Psalms that Mark considered prophetic ("David himself said in the Holy Spirit..."). For Mark, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to denounce works of God as the works of evil. Mark even gives an explicit example of the blasphemy in verse 22: "And the scribes that came down from Jerusalem said, 'He is possessed by Beelzebub,' and, 'By the prince of the demons he casts out the demons.'" In Mark, Jesus is God's adopted, but human son (or Son). Blasphemy against any human being, even Jesus, can be forgiven. To claim that the mighty works of God the Father are demonic cannot.

[myth-one.com]

Mark 3:28-29
New International Version
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and placed angels on the earth as caretakers under supervision of the archangel Satan. However, Satan wanted more power. He wanted to be like the most high God:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isaiah 14:12-14)

Not satisfied to be an archangel, Satan desired to be like the most High God. So he rebelled and attempted to usurp the power and authority of God. Satan thus committed blasphemy against God. God then created man a little lower than the angels during the Genesis recreation of the earth. Man is mortal, but can become equal unto the angels when born again as a spirit at or after the Second Coming of Christ. Once man is born again as a spiritual body, he will be immortal and live forever. These new angels being created from mortal men and women will then assume the duties of the rebellious angels who left the earth.

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

If immortal replacements are being created to replace the rebels, then certainly one characteristic which they must not possess is that quality which caused the originals to fail! The original crew committed blasphemy against The Word, the creator of the earth. They rebelled against His creation and failed in their responsibility as earthly caretakers. God's current day-to-day representative assigned to aid Christians on the earth is the Holy Ghost. Thus, the one unpardonable sin which man must not commit is this similar sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost! Any man who commits this sin cannot be born again as a spirit.

God does not desire to create more immortal spirits with the same character flaw which caused the originals to fail!

[onewithhim]

Mark 3:28-29
New International Version
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

Good question! It just shows you that the Trinity isn't true. The Father and the Son and Jehovah's Holy Spirit are all separate things. How can they all be equal if one act of non-belief against the Holy Spirit is to be NOT forgiven whereas blasphemy against the other two CAN be forgiven?

It takes a deep understanding of God's Word to see why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit matters so much. To blaspheme God's Holy Spirit means to attribute its workings to those of the Devil, and not assigning God's workings to Him. Just as the Pharisees told Jesus that he was working for Satan.* This is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because Jesus did what he did with the power of Jehovah's Holy Spirit given to him. The Pharisees, holding their opinion, have blasphemed the H.S. and will not be forgiven.

* "In answer the Jews said to him: 'Do we not rightly say, You are a Samaritan and have a demon?' ...The Jews said to him: 'Now we do know that you have a demon.'" (John 8:48, 52) That is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

[JehovahsWitness]

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

The holy spirit is God's active force. Jehovah himself is invisible and while ignorance may lead someone to blaspheme God or even Jesus, blasphemy against the holy spirit would amount to acting against the evident demonstration of God's actions.

Ignorance plays no part in acting against God's spirit, because its presence is only evident in action. This is why Jesus implied the religious leaders if His day were guilty of this sin. Those men saw in Jesus' miracles the clear demonstration God was working through him and not only failed to acknowledge this but attributed his power to Satan and actively worked against him to turn the people's attention away.

[Wootah]

Mark 3:28-29
New International Version
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

For Mark, "Holy Spirit" means the power of God that enters into people to allow them to perform His will. Note Mark 12:36, where the "Holy Spirit" is what allows David to write Psalms that Mark considered prophetic ("David himself said in the Holy Spirit..."). For Mark, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to denounce works of God as the works of evil. Mark even gives an explicit example of the blasphemy in verse 22: "And the scribes that came down from Jerusalem said, 'He is possessed by Beelzebub,' and, 'By the prince of the demons he casts out the demons.'" In Mark, Jesus is God's adopted, but human son (or Son). Blasphemy against any human being, even Jesus, can be forgiven. To claim that the mighty works of God the Father are demonic cannot.

Yes so it seems like the Holy Spirit dictates scripture.

Yes the Holy Spirit does works of God.

How isn't the Holy Spirit God?

[Wootah]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #3]

Why can I blaspheme against the Father and be forgiven but not against the Holy Spirit? Why is the Holy Spirit higher than the Father?

[Wootah]

Mark 3:28-29
New International Version
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

Good question! It just shows you that the Trinity isn't true. The Father and the Son and Jehovah's Holy Spirit are all separate things. How can they all be equal if one act of non-belief against the Holy Spirit is to be NOT forgiven whereas blasphemy against the other two CAN be forgiven?

It takes a deep understanding of God's Word to see why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit matters so much. To blaspheme God's Holy Spirit means to attribute its workings to those of the Devil, and not assigning God's workings to Him. Just as the Pharisees told Jesus that he was working for Satan.* This is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because Jesus did what he did with the power of Jehovah's Holy Spirit given to him. The Pharisees, holding their opinion, have blasphemed the H.S. and will not be forgiven.

* "In answer the Jews said to him: 'Do we not rightly say, You are a Samaritan and have a demon?' ...The Jews said to him: 'Now we do know that you have a demon.'" (John 8:48, 52) That is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

It is a good question but your answer ... provokes more questions.

No the question doesn't disprove the Trinity. My Christian answer is that the Holy Spirit testifies to Jesus so blaspheming against the Spirit is to deny Jesus is God.

Why can I blaspheme against the Father and be forgiven but not against the Holy Spirit? Why is the Holy Spirit higher than the Father?

[Wootah]

So why is it unforgivable to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not blaspheme against Jesus or aganst God the Father?

The holy spirit is God's active force. Jehovah himself is invisible and while ignorance may lead someone to blaspheme God or even Jesus, blasphemy against the holy spirit would amount to acting against the evident demonstration of God's actions.

Ignorance plays no part in acting against God's spirit, because its presence is only evident in action. This is why Jesus implied the religious leaders if His day were guilty of this sin. Those men saw in Jesus' miracles the clear demonstration God was working through him and not only failed to acknowledge this but attributed his power to Satan and actively worked against him to turn the people's attention away.

Active force? Can you greive a force? Does a force have a pronoun?

This link is good because you can hover over Bible verse links: https://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-person.html

Take from: https://get.tithe.ly/blog/characteristi ... oly-spirit
He’s referred to as a Person (John 6:63; 14:26; Rom. 8:11, 16, 26; 1 John 5:6).
He speaks (2 Sam. 23:2; Acts 1:16; 8:29; 10:19; 11:12; 13:2; 21:11; 28:25–26; 1 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 3:7–8; Rev. 2:7; 14:13; 22:17).
He witnesses (John 15:26).
He searches (1 Cor. 2:11).
He can be grieved (Isa. 63:10; Eph. 4:30).
He loves (Rom. 15:30).
He has a mind (Rom. 8:27).
He has intelligence (1 Cor. 2:10–11).
He can be tested (Acts 5:9).
He can be resisted (Acts 7:5).
He has a will (1 Cor. 2:11; 12:7–11).

I think to call the Holy Spirit a force is blasphemy.

edit:

one more good link: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blog ... -a-person/

So taking the idea of the Spirit as a force off the table (unless you want to rebut that further) : Why can I blaspheme against the Father and be forgiven but not against the Holy Spirit? Why is the Holy Spirit higher than the Father?

[JehovahsWitness]

How isn't the Holy Spirit God?

Because the holy spirit is not a person. God is a person (an intelligent individual) but his holy spirit is a force. Its the difference between a generator and the power that comes out of the generator. Its like... God is the "generator" the holy spirit is the electricity the generator produces.

Active force? Can you greive a force?

Can you switch off a light?

Remember, God uses his power in a way he sees fit. God gives you his power to do good but if you start to lie and fornicate what do you think God will do with the power he gave you? Will he keep supplying you with His power or do you think because of your behaviour he will "switch it off"?

Grieving the holy spirit is just a euphemism /metaphor for provoking God to withdraw his supportive power from you.

Does a force have a pronoun?

Of course! The chosen pronouns for the holy spirit are fluid; sometimes "it"; sometimes "he/him"; sometimes "she/her" (depending on the language)

I think to call the Holy Spirit a force is blasphemy.

I think you are mistaken. If one doesn't have a correct understanding of what the holy spirit is, one is in no position to say what blapsphemy against it is. Please see above.



JW

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