The Lake of Fire is Reincarnation

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The Lake of Fire is Reincarnation

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The Lake of Fire has several names in the Bible. One of them is 'Gehenna'. This word comes from the Old Testament, and a place called the 'Valley of the Son/Children of Hinnom'. Another name for the Lake of Fire is 'Tophet'...

2 Kings 23:10
"And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech."


What does that word mean and where did it come from? A clue is found in the following verse...

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV)
“For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Here is another translation…

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


Notice how the word 'Tophet' is replaced with 'Hearth'? That is because the word ‘Tophet’ is synonymous with the word ‘Hearth’. This connection is very important to remember.

Let us examine another verse from the Old Testament regarding the Tabernacle in the Wilderness...

Leviticus 6:13
The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.”


The ‘Everlasting Fire’ of God was to always be burning in the Brazen Altar. Think of the phrase 'Everlasting Fire' and how it is used in other verses...

Matthew 25:41
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"


If we study the Everlasting Fire in Hebrew, we find this interesting bit of information...

'Esh' means Fire…
Strong's Hebrew: 784. אֵשׁ (esh) -- a fire

'Jah' means Jehovah…
Strong's Hebrew: 3050. יָהּ (Yah) -- the name of the God of Israel

Together they form ‘Esh-Jah’, the Fire of the LORD. Why is this important? According to Biblical Scholars, the word Tophet is another name for a Goddess called ‘Vesta’…

“…it is well known that the Romans had their goddess Vesta, whom Velleius Paterculus calls the keeper of the perpetual fires; and there were certain virgins, called the "vestal" virgins, whose business it was to take care that the fire never went out; and is by Virgil called the eternal fire..."

In the above quote, we see that Vesta, the Goddess of the Hearth, is associated with Eternal Fire. If we keep reading, we discover that Vesta is synonymous with Esh-Jah, the Fire of the LORD that was to be ever burning...

“…and Vesta itself is thought by some learned men to be the same with (hy-va) "Esh-jah", the fire of Jehovah…”

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/leviticus-6-13.html

Vesta is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Hestia. We can see how the pronunciation of 'esh-jah' sounds similar to 'Hestia'. That is because the word 'Hestia' comes from 'Esh-Jah' and later evolved to 'Vesta'.

Interestingly, Hestia is the Sister of Hades. The word ‘Hades’ is used in the Bible several times...

Revelation 20:14 (New International Version)
"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death."


Thus, it is no surprise that Hestia/Vesta would be in the Bible as well. And since Vesta/Hestia is the Goddess of the Hearth, we find that she is a perfect match for Tophet...

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”


We can now study who Vesta was to gain insight as to what the Lake of Fire is really all about. An old Hebrew to English Lexicon reveals the answer...

HEBREW AND ENGLISH LEXICON, JOHN PARKHURST, 1823, PAGE 569...
https://archive.org/details/hebrewenglishlex00parkuoft/page/568/mode/2up

Here is a screenshot of the page...

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Several meanings are given as to what Tophet means, however when all of the evidence is analyzed, the meaning that fits perfectly is of course the Goddess Vesta, the 'Perpetual Fire'.

From Wikipedia:

"The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few; the most notable of them were tales of miraculous impregnation of a virgin priestess by a phallus appearing in the flames of the sacred hearth — the manifestation of the goddess combined with a male supernatural being."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesta_(mythology)

It turns out that Vesta is almost never depicted in art. You see why. Vesta is the Moment of Conception.

Now we know what ultimately happens to the Unsaved. :)

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Base12 wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:06 pm 2 Kings 23:10
"And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech."
When one looks at all of the verses referencing Gehenna, which was a foreshadow of the Lake of Fire, one will note that those thrown in 'pass through' it. They do not 'burn for infinity'. Thus, those cast into the Lake of Fire *pass through* it as well. Moreover, they pass through to an entity called Moloch or Molech, etc.

It is a step-by-step process by which the Unredeemed are given another chance at life. One must follow the clues scattered throughout Scripture to discover how it all works.

God is Love. All will be saved in the end.

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The standard defintion of the word 'Hell' is defined as reincarnation...

"...religions with reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations, as is the case in the Indian religions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

It is false Church dogma that has attempted to usurp the definition of Hell and change it into an abomination that has nothing to do with the Bible whatsoever.

Note that no one religion has exclusive rights to the definition. Scripture has its own version and is well documented, described and quantified from Genesis to Revelation.

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The reason why Christians are not able to see reincarnation in the Bible is because of years of 'conditioning' to be blind to it. Every time reincarnation is clearly being taught in the Bible, especially by Jesus himself, the Christian is told to either ignore the verses or they are told 'it is not to be taken literally'.

There are countless examples of this. We will go over a few...

Child of Hell (Gehenna)

Matthew 23:15
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."


How much plainer could Jesus have made it? Was he lying? Was he just 'hurling insults'? Is that what Jesus teaches us to do? Are we to just say mean things to people? No, of course not. Jesus was being absolutely, one hundred percent LITERAL.

Children are born out of Hell, which in the verse above, is translated from the Greek 'Gehenna'. And if one person is born out of Hell, then we all are. We all come from Adam and Eve.

Lowest Parts of the Earth

Ask anyone on the planet what Christians believe is "down there", in the lowest parts of the Earth. They will most likely say 'Hell'. OK, so then why is the Word of God teaching that babies are born out of it?

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."


The answer is because it is allegory and euphemism. The 'lowest parts of the Earth' is of course referring to the womb by which we are birthed from.

Naturally, when Jesus descended from Heaven, he descended to the 'lower parts of the Earth'. That's right, you know exactly what that is referring to...

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"


Yep, Jesus first descended into the womb of Mary, the lower parts of the Earth. What is that you say? Jesus first descended into Hell? How did that Apostles Creed go?

"...who suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried, descended into hell, rose again from the dead on the third day..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

Conditioning a person into believing lies and falsehoods takes lots of repetition. Ask yourself, when did Jesus *first* descend? Did Jesus just appear one day on a Cross and descend? Of course not.

Jesus *first* descended from Heaven to incarnate...

John 3:13
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."


John 6:38
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."


What do the Scholars say?

"In the lowest parts of the earth. This figurative allusion to the womb is intended no doubt to heighten the feeling of mystery attaching to birth."

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/139-15.htm

So, how did we get there? Yep, we were all thrown into the Lake of Fire and here we are. This is per the Word of God. Again, reincarnation verses are everywhere in Scripture, and it is very plain to see to those seeking the most profound Truths the Bible has to offer.

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We now know that those thrown into the Lake of Fire go to Hestia/Vesta (the moment of conception) according to the Word of God. Scripture also teaches that they pass through the fire to Moloch. What is Moloch symbolic of?

Stephen gives us the answer...

Acts 7:41-43
"And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon."


Moloch is being linked with the Golden Calf. That is because they are symbolic of the same thing...

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The Golden Calf is Hathor, the Mother Goddess. Hathor's image is also euphemism. Her head and face depict a uterus...





The Unredeemed 'pass through the fire' to the uterus of another Earthly Mother. The phrase 'reap what you sow' is much more literal than most realize. O:)

That is the point of Judgment Day. It is to hand out the 'Karma' so to speak that must be paid off in the next life. Jesus is the one who saves us from this terrible 'reincarnation cycle'.

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Base12 wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:06 pm ...
Now we know what ultimately happens to the Unsaved. :)
Jesus said they will be destroyed.

Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [hell].
Matt. 10:28
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1213 wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:55 am Jesus said they will be destroyed.

Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [hell].
Matt. 10:28
Hi 1213. Great comment and important verse.

Yes, Gehenna is where Body and Soul are destroyed, but not Spirit. The Spirit of God is in everything and can never be destroyed. It has always existed and will continue to exist.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."


The Soul is the Genome Sequence of any living organism. It is information that lives on after death. The Lake of Fire can destroy information, so it is a unique place.

By destroying 'bad Genes', God is ensuring a healthy and prosperous Kingdom. I call it God Eugenics. It is what it is. Salvation is a Genetics/DNA issue. A Genome that is too carnal will be deleted from existence.

The Spirit is then sent back here to be placed in another Zygote for another try.

Jesus explains it here...

Luke 1:17
"And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."


John was the reincarnation of Elijah. He came 'in the Spirit and Power of Elias'. That is literally what reincarnation is.

Jesus was very clear about it...

Matthew 11:14
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."


The phrase, 'This is Elias' means exactly that. There is no way around it. Once again, Christians are told not to believe Jesus.

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Base12 wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:06 pm ...The Spirit of God is in everything and can never be destroyed.
Yes, I agree that the Spirit of God can not be destroyed. But people can be utterly destroyed, soul and body and I think it means there is then nothing left of the person.
Base12 wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:06 pm...
The Soul is the Genome Sequence of any living organism.
Sorry, I don't see any Biblical reason to think so. I think Genome Sequence is just part of the body and soul is more like the mind of a person.
Base12 wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:06 pm...
John was the reincarnation of Elijah. He came 'in the Spirit and Power of Elias'. That is literally what reincarnation is.
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I don't think it is the same as incarnation. I think spirit can be seen as attitude, perhaps not exactly the same, but similar. For example when people have team spirit, it means there is common idea and attitude in side team members that makes them work well together. I think "Spirit and power of Elias" means the same, that the person has the same attitude and idea, not that he is the same person.
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