Most of the arguments against the idea of a loving god who created the planet Earth and its creatures are so obvious they occur to a child. One of them is, 'Why would a caring, loving god create a world where so many organisms can only survive only by killing and eating others? Christians usually fall back on the old "Original Sin" argument, that everything was perfect until "The Fall."
Is "The Fall" a reasonable argument to explain the existence of God-created organisms that can only survive by tearing the flesh off other organisms? . . . or by consuming and torturing them to death like brainless cancer cells, viruses and bacteria?
When God made his creation and called it 'good.' then called it evil and drowned 99.9999 percent of his 'creation,' why didn't that 'New Start' fix everything? Wouldn't an omnipotent and omniscient God have known all this would transpire before 'He' created the first clod of earth, the first drop of water, the first atom of 'the firmament?'
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Post #21) Is it really true that many organisms could survive only by killing others in the beginning?Diogenes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 11:16 pm Most of the arguments against the idea of a loving god who created the planet Earth and its creatures are so obvious they occur to a child. One of them is, 'Why would a caring, loving god create a world where so many organisms can only survive only by killing and eating others? Christians usually fall back on the old "Original Sin" argument, that everything was perfect until "The Fall."
Is "The Fall" a reasonable argument to explain the existence of God-created organisms that can only survive by tearing the flesh off other organisms? . . . or by consuming and torturing them to death like brainless cancer cells, viruses and bacteria?
When God made his creation and called it 'good.' then called it evil and drowned 99.9999 percent of his 'creation,' why didn't that 'New Start' fix everything?...
2) Is killing an animal wrong? Why?
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4) The point of the flood was to kill the evil ones. Are they not killed? If they are, it did what it was supposed to do.
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Then all the children who supposedly died in the alleged flood were evil?The point of the flood was to kill the evil ones. Are they not killed? If they are, it did what it was supposed to do.
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Post #4I think it is possible. However, I don't know the people. If they were not, I believe God saved them to His kingdom and their life continues.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 4:53 pm ...Then all the children who supposedly died in the alleged flood were evil?
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Post #5Is eternal paradise a bribe to buy a god's way off the hook for unjust death?1213 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 1:39 amI think it is possible. However, I don't know the people. If they were not, I believe God saved them to His kingdom and their life continues.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 4:53 pm ...Then all the children who supposedly died in the alleged flood were evil?
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Post #6No. God has given life, therefore He has also the right to decide how long it lasts (no, humans don't give life). No one has done anything to deserve even short life so it can't be called unjust, if God gives only a short life.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 8:28 am ...Is eternal paradise a bribe to buy a god's way off the hook for unjust death?
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Post #7Then if Zeus is Supreme God, all of the nefarious behavior ascribed to him is automatically justified.1213 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 3:25 amNo. God has given life, therefore He has also the right to decide how long it lasts (no, humans don't give life). No one has done anything to deserve even short life so it can't be called unjust, if God gives only a short life.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 8:28 am ...Is eternal paradise a bribe to buy a god's way off the hook for unjust death?
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Post #8I don't think so. But, do I understand correctly, if God gives life, you think He then has no right to decide how long life He gives? Why should God give eternal life for everyone?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:01 amThen if Zeus is Supreme God, all of the nefarious behavior ascribed to him is automatically justified.1213 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 3:25 amNo. God has given life, therefore He has also the right to decide how long it lasts (no, humans don't give life). No one has done anything to deserve even short life so it can't be called unjust, if God gives only a short life.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 8:28 am ...Is eternal paradise a bribe to buy a god's way off the hook for unjust death?
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Then if Zeus is Supreme God, all of the nefarious behavior ascribed to him is automatically justified.
Then if Zeus is Supreme God, all of the nefarious behavior ascribed to him is automatically justified.
If Zeus is Supreme God, do you think he has no right to behave as he chooses? Why should Zeus have to do justice to mortals?I don't think so. But, do I understand correctly, if God gives life, you think He then has no right to decide how long life He gives? Why should God give eternal life for everyone?
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Re: Why did the Hebrew God Create Carnivores.
Post #10Why do you believe a world with death and consumption is an evil one?Diogenes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 11:16 pmWhen God made his creation and called it 'good.' then called it evil and drowned 99.9999 percent of his 'creation,' why didn't that 'New Start' fix everything? Wouldn't an omnipotent and omniscient God have known all this would transpire before 'He' created the first clod of earth, the first drop of water, the first atom of 'the firmament?'

