If a Christian and a Muslim were drowning and you could rescue but one, which one would it be?
I would think that if you were a Christian, you would rescue the Muslim, since you would "know" that your fellow Christian had eternal life anyway.
I would think that if you were a Muslim, that you would rescue the Christian, since you would 'know' that the Muslim had eternal life anyway.
If you were not religious you would attempt to rescue them both and die.. but you would have your salvation in your selfless act of kindness and non-judgment.....
So why all the fighting over who will be anointed?
A Christian and a Muslim are drowning, who would you rescue?
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Post #2You set up a hypothetical with constraints on options but then when you get to the "non-religious" bloke you claim he'll try and rescue both?! My oh my, what bias! What makes you think the Christian wouldn't do the same thing? Come on, Flail, give us a more intellectually honest hypothetical.Flail wrote:If a Christian and a Muslim were drowning and you could rescue but one, which one would it be?
I would think that if you were a Christian, you would rescue the Muslim, since you would "know" that your fellow Christian had eternal life anyway.
I would think that if you were a Muslim, that you would rescue the Christian, since you would 'know' that the Muslim had eternal life anyway.
If you were not religious you would attempt to rescue them both and die.. but you would have your salvation in your selfless act of kindness and non-judgment.....
So why all the fighting over who will be anointed?
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Re: A Christian and a Muslim are drowning, who would you res
Post #3You would??If you were not religious you would attempt to rescue them both and die.. but you would have your salvation in your selfless act of kindness and non-judgment.....
Personally, I would grab whoever was closest and then head for shore before I made more work for the coastguard/undertaker.
Bias
Post #4Vanguard
I am very bias against religion as I have stated repeatedly on this board. In my opinion they are the worst inventions of mankind. I understand that you take issue with my answer but what is your answer? The hypothetical, as with most hypotheticals, can be over analyzed to avoid the answer.
The point was to start a debate over why so many have been killed and judged over the centuries in support of various religions, none of which make any logical sense and have no basis in anything other than conjecture. Obviously Religion is irrelevant over who should be rescued and I imagine that most would try to save them both or call someone or do something to help. In the end, does religion really matter and if not why do we engage in it and judge that others are unworthy of God based solely on their memberships?
Turn all the churches into soup kitchens.
I am very bias against religion as I have stated repeatedly on this board. In my opinion they are the worst inventions of mankind. I understand that you take issue with my answer but what is your answer? The hypothetical, as with most hypotheticals, can be over analyzed to avoid the answer.
The point was to start a debate over why so many have been killed and judged over the centuries in support of various religions, none of which make any logical sense and have no basis in anything other than conjecture. Obviously Religion is irrelevant over who should be rescued and I imagine that most would try to save them both or call someone or do something to help. In the end, does religion really matter and if not why do we engage in it and judge that others are unworthy of God based solely on their memberships?
Turn all the churches into soup kitchens.
Re: Bias
Post #5F-bone answered it for me. It is almost silly spending time answering it - I would rescue whom I thought I could.Flail wrote:Vanguard
I am very bias against religion as I have stated repeatedly on this board. In my opinion they are the worst inventions of mankind. I understand that you take issue with my answer but what is your answer? The hypothetical, as with most hypotheticals, can be over analyzed to avoid the answer.

Well, now there's a question! I now understand your point however awkwardly expressed. I happen to agree with you. Judgment of whether another is worthy of God for any reason is among many things, wrongheaded. Religion should not matter if its purpose is to simply seperate the "haves from the have nots".The point was to start a debate over why so many have been killed and judged over the centuries in support of various religions, none of which make any logical sense and have no basis in anything other than conjecture. Obviously Religion is irrelevant over who should be rescued and I imagine that most would try to save them both or call someone or do something to help. In the end, does religion really matter and if not why do we engage in it and judge that others are unworthy of God based solely on their memberships?
Fortunately, Christianity here in America has at least moved beyond the mass killings as recorded in its history. Much of the judgment is still there though.

Killing
Post #6So long as there are belief systems pretending to be from God there will be hatred, judgement and killing by those who believe they are 'the chosen people' against others who believe they are 'the chosen people'. All such groups have a holy book and many rituals to hide behind. Therefore logic and reason will have no impact on the mindless superstitions of the participants.
Re: Killing
Post #7You're a bit hard to read. I assume you mean "for the most part" and are not speaking in absolutes. My entire life has been spent in Christianity and I've seen many wonderful things happen to people. I understand the presence of "mindless superstitions" though I cannot say this is always the case. I wish I could say the same for your perspective?Flail wrote:So long as there are belief systems pretending to be from God there will be hatred, judgement and killing by those who believe they are 'the chosen people' against others who believe they are 'the chosen people'. All such groups have a holy book and many rituals to hide behind. Therefore logic and reason will have no impact on the mindless superstitions of the participants.
Absolutes
Post #8Vanguard
I am, of course, speaking in 'generalities'. I am very busy, so don't have as much time as I would like for this board, so 'write on the fly'...and so I apologize for my poor writing.
In sum, there are obviously good people and goodness in all Religions but the institutions themselves are evil and was so characterized by Jesus himself. There are no 'absolutes' when it comes to people or beliefs, which is why, in the end, I am very anti-Religious.
I am, of course, speaking in 'generalities'. I am very busy, so don't have as much time as I would like for this board, so 'write on the fly'...and so I apologize for my poor writing.
In sum, there are obviously good people and goodness in all Religions but the institutions themselves are evil and was so characterized by Jesus himself. There are no 'absolutes' when it comes to people or beliefs, which is why, in the end, I am very anti-Religious.
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It's a tough question. I would most likely try to save both. My predjudices against religion would not give me reason to let someone die. It also depends on how extreme their faiths were. if i either, i would expect at the least a thank you. this would not be possible if the victim's were harassing me to convert.