Bible Contradictions?

[Allie]

Hello, everyone!

I've recharged my batteries (for those who have seen my other threads) and I'm ready for another chat.

So I've heard from many people about the Bible contradicting itself, and I was wondering if I may ask where those contradictions are? This is something I've always wondered about, always, and I would be very happy if you would tell me the contradictions you see. I may know something about the passage(as to why it seems contradicting), but I probably won't. I come to you all in the most humble of circumstances, I am still very young.

Please don't disrespect me, I won't disrespect you; I've already had to take a break from this place and I just joined. I'd love it if everyone could be kind to everyone else, no matter what comes up.

I look forward to seeing your replies.

[nygreenguy]

Wow! There are hundreds! Where to begin!

Who make the arc?


Deuteronomy 10:1-3
At that time the LORD said unto me [Moses], Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood. ... And I made an ark of shittim wood....


Exodus 37:1
And Bezaleel made the ark of shittim wood.

God kill good and bad people:


Job 9:22
He destoyeth the perfect and the wicked.

Ecclesiastes 7:15
All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness.

Ezekiel 21:3
Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I am againsth thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

God kills only bad people:


Ezekiel 18:8-9
He that ... hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; his is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord.

Ezekiel 18:19-20:
When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 33:18-19
When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is l awful and right, he shall live thereby.

But heres a website that lists many more.

[Fisherking]

Hello, everyone!

I've recharged my batteries (for those who have seen my other threads) and I'm ready for another chat.

So I've heard from many people about the Bible contradicting itself, and I was wondering if I may ask where those contradictions are? This is something I've always wondered about, always, and I would be very happy if you would tell me the contradictions you see. I may know something about the passage(as to why it seems contradicting), but I probably won't. I come to you all in the most humble of circumstances, I am still very young.

Please don't disrespect me, I won't disrespect you; I've already had to take a break from this place and I just joined. I'd love it if everyone could be kind to everyone else, no matter what comes up.

I look forward to seeing your replies.

Just do a google on "bible contradictions" and you will see there are "contradiction" lists all over web from disgruntled anti-christians. I haven't seen an actual contradiction yet. I would suggest debating one contradiction at a time though... otherwise you will get bombarded by a list of 500 bible contradictions from infidels.wasteyourtime or something and when you cannot answer all 500 in 20 minutes they will claim victory.

edit- ahh, the lists have come in before I can even get a reply in!

[Allie]

Thanks, nygreenguy. I'll be looking into those. (slowly, though, I'm new at this)

Just do a google on "bible contradictions" and you will see there are "contradiction" lists all over web from disgruntled anti-christians. I haven't seen an actual contradiction yet. I would suggest debating one contradiction at a time though... otherwise you will get bombarded by a list of 500 bible contradictions from infidels.wasteyourtime or something and when you cannot answer all 500 in 20 minutes they will claim victory.

edit- ahh, the lists have come in before I can even get a reply in!

Hah, I didn't even think about googling it! Aw well, I have a list now. I really need to read the whole Bible, I dislike not knowing what context the quoted scripture is in. Aw well, more learning for me!

[nygreenguy]

Just do a google on "bible contradictions" and you will see there are "contradiction" lists all over web from disgruntled anti-christians.

I guess the insults make it easier to dismiss their arguments?

I haven't seen an actual contradiction yet.

Of course you havent!

[Goat]

Thanks, nygreenguy. I'll be looking into those. (slowly, though, I'm new at this)

Just do a google on "bible contradictions" and you will see there are "contradiction" lists all over web from disgruntled anti-christians. I haven't seen an actual contradiction yet. I would suggest debating one contradiction at a time though... otherwise you will get bombarded by a list of 500 bible contradictions from infidels.wasteyourtime or something and when you cannot answer all 500 in 20 minutes they will claim victory.

edit- ahh, the lists have come in before I can even get a reply in!

Hah, I didn't even think about googling it! Aw well, I have a list now. I really need to read the whole Bible, I dislike not knowing what context the quoted scripture is in. Aw well, more learning for me!

Personally , I find that the mental gymnastics people go through to resolved the contradictions to be rather immature. It just means that not all the writers got the same story. I don't see the big deal myself, but there are a number of people that insist that the bible is 'without error', and jump through hoops to keep that view.

[OnceConvinced]

I certainly don't believe that all anti-Christians who provide lists of contradictions are disgruntled. It's very easy to say that when you don't like their message. I also think any Christian who can't see contradictions is in denial. It's more likely they are refusing to see the contradictions by doing whatever they can to justify them.

All one has to do is visit a Christian message board and see the debates that go on. One Christian will bring up a scripture to support a stance and another will come up with a scripture to support a contrary stance. But very rarely will anyone be able to come to an agreement on who has the absolute truth.

I personally don't think the lists you get from sites on the web scratch the surface and those ones you see, can easily be refuted with a bit of shucking and jiving. The real tough ones come up in normal discussion when someone is trying to make a point and using scripture to back up their argument. (Denominational issues are a classic example - things even Christians don't agree on). If you stay here long enough Allie, you will see numerous examples.

Very commonly I see:

Member 1: The bible says "Point A"
Member 2: Ah, but the bible also says "Point B"

[OnceConvinced]

Just do a google on "bible contradictions" and you will see there are "contradiction" lists all over web from disgruntled anti-christians.

I guess the insults make it easier to dismiss their arguments?

I think this is a problem with those sites. They tend to look too hard and point out the silliest little things. They do it in a way that is insulting and demeaning. It's one of the reasons I scoffed at sites like those when I was a Christian. I just couldn't take them seriously because of the silly so-called contradictions they included, making me not even willing to look at the ones that were valid. These sites tend to automatically turn Christians against them and make them think they are disgruntled or stirring or deliberately trying to ridicule. These site owners need to show a bit of discernment and list only the ones that make a valid point. Otherwise they are wasting their time when it comes to Christians.

[Zzyzx]

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Just do a google on "bible contradictions" and you will see there are "contradiction" lists all over web from disgruntled anti-christians.

I guess the insults make it easier to dismiss their arguments?

I think this is a problem with those sites. They tend to look too hard and point out the silliest little things. They do it in a way that is insulting and demeaning. It's one of the reasons I scoffed at sites like those when I was a Christian. I just couldn't take them seriously because of the silly so-called contradictions they included, making me not even willing to look at the ones that were valid. These sites tend to automatically turn Christians against them and make them think they are disgruntled or stirring or deliberately trying to ridicule. These site owners need to show a bit of discernment and list only the ones that make a valid point. Otherwise they are wasting their time when it comes to Christians.

Perhaps the intended audience of the "bible contradiction sites" is not Christians. Instead, those sites may be intended to provide information with which Non-Christians can refute Christian claims. As such, they can serve well.

The same can be true of “bible atrocities sites� and “lists of thousands of gods� that are readily available on the Internet. They provide valuable references to Non-Christians debating Christians or writing in opposition to Christian claims of biblical literalism.

The bible verses cited ARE valid reference to specific versions of one or more of the hundred plus “Christian Bibles�.

It may be useful for a Non-Christian to have ready reference to information that details the many DIFFERENT pronouncements in the bible regarding how long “Noah’s Flood� lasted, for instance, or to be able to readily identify the verses that detail atrocities such as instructions about killing women, children, infants and unborn.

An alternative possibility is that some “contradiction�, “atrocity� or “list of gods� sites may be intended to free Christianity from biblical literalism. That could be a great service to the religion – removing the necessity of defending incredible (too extraordinary and improbable to be believed) stories for which NO non-church support or validation is available.

Christianity without the “miracle claims� and without demands that bible stories be believed as literally true, could appeal to people who are not willing to accept the bible as “infallible� or “inerrant� or “word of god� but who might be attracted to some aspects of Christianity (with Thomas Jefferson as an example with “The Jefferson Bible� which removes the “miracles� – available with Internet search).

[nygreenguy]

I think this is a problem with those sites. They tend to look too hard and point out the silliest little things. They do it in a way that is insulting and demeaning. It's one of the reasons I scoffed at sites like those when I was a Christian. I just couldn't take them seriously because of the silly so-called contradictions they included, making me not even willing to look at the ones that were valid. These sites tend to automatically turn Christians against them and make them think they are disgruntled or stirring or deliberately trying to ridicule. These site owners need to show a bit of discernment and list only the ones that make a valid point. Otherwise they are wasting their time when it comes to Christians.

Why would that be relevant? If someone claims inerrancy than any inaccuracy should be accepted as valid. One cant claim inerrancy and dismiss the claims simply because they dont like them.

What would your criteria be otherwise to prove validity?