Would you do this for your kids?

Ayah5768 · Post by **Ayah5768** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:32 pm

For the sake of this thread, imagine that there is an eternal paradise (Heaven) and an eternal torment (Hell) waiting for us at the other end of this life. Heaven is an actual place where your every desire will happen and you will be unquestionably happy forever. Hell is an actual place where people burn alive forever with no escape, even for a single second.

If the above descriptions are not in line with your views, it has no bearing on this thread. This thread is based on the above versions of Heaven and Hell and the idea that they are real places. Please don't derail us with other possibilities of afterlife or the lack thereof.

Now, for the question...

You get to Heaven and whomever is manning the entryway tells you that your son or daughter will be going to Hell upon their death unless you trade places with them. You can only respond to this with one word--either "yes" or "no".

Will you trade eternal paradise for eternal torment and save your child?

After you've voted, please post and tell us if you said yes or no and why you chose that answer.

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:06 pm

Yes without hesitation. It's a no-brainer. I couldn't imagine the hell I would be going through living in Heaven knowing my own child was suffering elsewhere.

Beto · Post by **Beto** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:27 am

OnceConvinced wrote:Yes without hesitation. It's a no-brainer. I couldn't imagine the hell I would be going through living in Heaven knowing my own child was suffering elsewhere.

No problem. The OP states you'd be "unquestionably happy forever".

That's the problem with this question. No matter what the child's fate, you have to be happy, or it isn't Heaven.

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:52 am

Beto wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Yes without hesitation. It's a no-brainer. I couldn't imagine the hell I would be going through living in Heaven knowing my own child was suffering elsewhere.
No problem. The OP states you'd be "unquestionably happy forever".

That's the problem with this question. No matter what the child's fate, you have to be happy, or it isn't Heaven.

Then I guess God will wipe our memories and turn us into a bunch of robots with no freewill.

Homicidal_Cherry53 · Post by **Homicidal_Cherry53** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:59 pm

Without hesitation, I would send my non-existent children straight to hell. XD

realthinker · Post by **realthinker** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:52 pm

Ayah5768 wrote:For the sake of this thread, imagine that there is an eternal paradise (Heaven) and an eternal torment (Hell) waiting for us at the other end of this life. Heaven is an actual place where your every desire will happen and you will be unquestionably happy forever. Hell is an actual place where people burn alive forever with no escape, even for a single second.

If the above descriptions are not in line with your views, it has no bearing on this thread. This thread is based on the above versions of Heaven and Hell and the idea that they are real places. Please don't derail us with other possibilities of afterlife or the lack thereof.

Now, for the question...

You get to Heaven and whomever is manning the entryway tells you that your son or daughter will be going to Hell upon their death unless you trade places with them. You can only respond to this with one word--either "yes" or "no".

Will you trade eternal paradise for eternal torment and save your child?

After you've voted, please post and tell us if you said yes or no and why you chose that answer.

If they're going to hell they deserved it, not me. I don't generally make exceptions for family. If one's a loser, a loser one is, and they can live with it. And in a family as big as mine, you can bet there are a number of losers. They don't get a break because they're family.

Ayah5768 · Post by **Ayah5768** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:27 pm

I would do it. I would always choose that my children be happy over myself and that I suffer rather than them. If it is possible for me to take it on, I would.

This thread isn't moving quite the way a similar one did in another forum. The reason that I asked is because in the other forum there were a number of Christian's who either wouldn't directly answer the question or outright said that they wouldn't do it.

Honestly, on the other forum I was astounded by the number of people with children who would not do it. Furthermore, the people who would were all, almost without exception, atheists and theists of the non-Christian variety. That strikes me as being the complete opposite of what my Christian friends would like me to believe about them as well as about non-Christians.

Thoughts?

daedalus 2.0 · Post by **daedalus 2.0** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:56 pm

Homicidal_Cherry53 wrote:Without hesitation, I would send my non-existent children straight to hell. XD

In response to the OP and the great responses to it: does God erase our memories? Were all our experiences of love and hate, pain and pleasure: everything we experience as human - erased?

Why life, then?

If they aren't erased, then, yes, the pious, self-righteous Christian who is preaching about God and bowing on their knees will know every moment of eternity that God is submitting their child to such a torture that only God can conjure up because of his hatred and maliciousness for impudence.

THat is who the Xian worships.

RyanP · Post by **RyanP** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:10 pm

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.

Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. --Matthew 10:34-38

Personally, no, I wouldn't damn myself for my child's salvation. Each is to die for his sin and to be accounted for their own faith.

daedalus 2.0 · Post by **daedalus 2.0** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:27 pm

RyanP wrote:Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.

Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. --Matthew 10:34-38

Personally, no, I wouldn't damn myself for my child's salvation. Each is to die for his sin and to be accounted for their own faith.

This supports my claim that Xianity is a selfish, abhorant philosophy that doesn't look after other people, only the adherent/religious nutjob.

That's great RyanP. You have found a great quote to show that Xinaity is an abomination. Children go to Hell. God send babies to suffer for eternity. One shouldn't honor their mother, father or child, but save their own skin - fuck the rest.

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