God created all things by Jesus Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

Peace and God bless

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #109]

No. If God is omnipresent and unique, then God is always at more than one location. He is always everywhere.
No. Neither is a person:
No, there is one whole being which is God.

So, he - God, is they and both? What did you mean be "both" and "they"?

Both: used to refer to two people or things.

They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.

Did you mean "be" or "by"?

No. I meant "they" and "both", and you did answer the question, thanks.
So if "they" and "both" refer to more than one person, and things, and God is not more than one person, or parts, then you have not given an explanation, since you cannot use "they" and "both", when describing the Word being with God.

Would it be fair to say then, you cannot explain how it is the Word is with God?
Also, since you believe "they" are not two Gods, but one, then there is a disagreement with what you believe and John 1:1.

No, that would be unfair as I have explained how the "Word is with God" could mean that both are aligned in accordance with their plans for the creation of the heaven and the earth.

That is, they are one in agreement and goals.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #111]

No, that would be unfair as I have explained how the "Word is with God" could mean that both are aligned in accordance with their plans for the creation of the heaven and the earth.

They are one in agreement and goals.

Something is wrong here.

Did you say

Both: used to refer to two people or things.
They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.


So, if you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Why do you call God a being, which is a person - An individual form of life?
Why do you say "they were together as one...", knowing that they is "used to refer to two or more people or things"?
You have not explained how "there is one whole being which is God", and yet the Word is with God. You simply said, "It could simply mean that they are both at the same location". Or "Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything.
God would be the designer, and the Word would be in the construction end of the creation business.
And they were together as one in their agreement as to the overall plan."

Now, you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Unless you are confused, about what you said, or confused about how to explain the question, then it would be fair to say you cannot explain how it is the Word is with God.
Also, since you believe "they" are not two Gods, but one, then there is a disagreement with what you believe and John 1:1.

Did you make a mistake in what you said earlier, and would you like to retract or adjust it? I would allow for that, so we can actually have a clear understanding and move forward.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #111]

No, that would be unfair as I have explained how the "Word is with God" could mean that both are aligned in accordance with their plans for the creation of the heaven and the earth.

They are one in agreement and goals.

Something is wrong here.

Did you say

Both: used to refer to two people or things.
They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.


So, if you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Why do you call God a being, which is a person - An individual form of life?
. . .more

You lost me already.

I quoted the definitions of "both" and "they," as both definitions refer to "persons."

I stated that neither God nor the Word are "persons" because persons are defined as "a human being regarded as an individual."

There are two type of beings, natural and spiritual. God and the Word are spiritual beings, not human beings.

I suggested that perhaps God the Father and God the Word are one in their agreement as to the overall plan.

But I do not understand the spiritual world. They may all be as one in some ways.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #113]

You lost me already.

I don't believe I did. However, if I did, I am sorry.

I quoted the definitions of "both" and "they," as both definitions refer to "persons."

Yes you did, and you used those definitions knowing what they mean, and applied them to God, and the Word, and yet you say they do not apply to God and the Word.
Do you see why you might be lost?

I stated that neither God nor the Word are "persons" because persons are defined as "a human being regarded as an individual."

Yes. Yet, you used the same words to apply to God and the Word.
There just is no getting around it. They are two individuals being referred to. Aren't they?

There are two type of beings, natural and spiritual. God and the Word are spiritual beings, not human beings.

I suggested that perhaps God the Father and God the Word are one in their agreement as to the overall plan.

Sounds good. Okay, so we have something we can agree on, and go from. I'm glad for that. Thank you.
So God and Jesus are two separate individuals aligned in purpose.
Do you agree that the reason the Word is aligned in the same purpose as God, is because he submitted to the will of God?
I'm thinking of what was prophesied of the Messiah, before the Word became flesh, and dwelt among men - (Psalm 40:6-8; Hebrews 10:5-10); what was said by the Word in the flesh, as the Messiah - (John 4:34; John 5:19, 30; John 8:28, 29; John 10:17, 18; John 12:48-50; John 14:10, 31; Hebrews 1:9); What was prophesied about the Word, in the finale - 1 Corinthians 15::24-28

Would you agree then that God the creator, could use the Word to work beside him in creating all things, thus all things were created through the Word?

But I do not understand the spiritual world. They may all be as one in some ways.

I appreciate your modesty.

It would be good for us to talk about this.
The spirit beings are all spirit. They have that in common, but they are not all God.
They are all gods - God like, as they are divine beings, but they recognize only one God - the beginning - the Supreme one (Daniel 7; Revelation 4:9-11).
Did you notice who is the creator?

They are not all one, in purpose, because angels rebelled against god, in heaven.
It is however, God's purpose for all his creatures to be one, both in heaven and on earth. Ephesians 1:6-11.
Hopefully we agree on these points.
Would you agree?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #111]

No, that would be unfair as I have explained how the "Word is with God" could mean that both are aligned in accordance with their plans for the creation of the heaven and the earth.

They are one in agreement and goals.

Something is wrong here.

Did you say

Both: used to refer to two people or things.
They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.


So, if you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Why do you call God a being, which is a person - An individual form of life?
Why do you say "they were together as one...", knowing that they is "used to refer to two or more people or things"?
You have not explained how "there is one whole being which is God", and yet the Word is with God. You simply said, "It could simply mean that they are both at the same location". Or "Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything.
God would be the designer, and the Word would be in the construction end of the creation business.
And they were together as one in their agreement as to the overall plan."

Now, you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Unless you are confused, about what you said, or confused about how to explain the question, then it would be fair to say you cannot explain how it is the Word is with God.
Also, since you believe "they" are not two Gods, but one, then there is a disagreement with what you believe and John 1:1.

Did you make a mistake in what you said earlier, and would you like to retract or adjust it? I would allow for that, so we can actually have a clear understanding and move forward.

Why the confusion? It is clear that the Word, Christ, was with God, meaning that he was there in the heavens alongside God, the Father. They are two individual Beings. They are "one" in that they agree on everything.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #111]

No, that would be unfair as I have explained how the "Word is with God" could mean that both are aligned in accordance with their plans for the creation of the heaven and the earth.

They are one in agreement and goals.

Something is wrong here.

Did you say

Both: used to refer to two people or things.
They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.


So, if you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Why do you call God a being, which is a person - An individual form of life?
Why do you say "they were together as one...", knowing that they is "used to refer to two or more people or things"?
You have not explained how "there is one whole being which is God", and yet the Word is with God. You simply said, "It could simply mean that they are both at the same location". Or "Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything.
God would be the designer, and the Word would be in the construction end of the creation business.
And they were together as one in their agreement as to the overall plan."

Now, you are saying
No. Neither is a person:
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.
No, there is one whole being which is God.

Unless you are confused, about what you said, or confused about how to explain the question, then it would be fair to say you cannot explain how it is the Word is with God.
Also, since you believe "they" are not two Gods, but one, then there is a disagreement with what you believe and John 1:1.

Did you make a mistake in what you said earlier, and would you like to retract or adjust it? I would allow for that, so we can actually have a clear understanding and move forward.

Why the confusion? It is clear that the Word, Christ, was with God, meaning that he was there in the heavens alongside God, the Father. They are two individual Beings. They are "one" in that they agree on everything.

No, it's confusing!!

The Word and Christ are different beings. The Word is God. God is a spirit.

Christ was the Word made flesh which is a man!

The Word could not do what was required of Jesus.

Jesus was the Word made flesh, born as a Jew, so that Jesus would be a potential beneficiary under the original Old Testament between God and the Israelites. The inheritance under that testament was everlasting spiritual bodied life.

[Capbook]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

I figured it out myself. I have come to many conclusions on my own and the JWs were merely in agreement with what I had already concluded.

Did you figure out on your own that "The Word is not God" even after reading the following verse?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

I have seen that the Greek language's translation is different than English translation. John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God Almighty.

Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1 !

Your problem is that you are confusing the Word with Jesus.

Jesus is not the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

The Word made flesh was the man, Jesus Christ:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

The one God and the man Jesus Christ are different type of beings! God is a Spirit and Jesus is a physical bodied man.

We believe in the dual nature of Jesus, He was made flesh (John 1:14) as man, and He being God before being made flesh. (Rom 9:5) (Phil 2:6)

John 1:14
[And the Word was made flesh] The word "flesh," here, is evidently used to denote "human nature" or "man." The "Word" was made "man." This is commonly expressed by saying that he became "incarnate." When we say that a being becomes "incarnate," we mean that one of a higher order than man, and of a different nature, assumes the appearance of man or becomes a man. Here it is meant that "the Word," or the second person of the Trinity, whom John had just proved to be equal with God, became a man, or was united with the man Jesus of Nazareth, so that it might be said that he "was made flesh."
(Barnes' )

Matt 16:15-18
15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
NIV

Rom 9:5
5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
NIV

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix. There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures!

Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

I believe this verses refers to man (terrestrial) being lost, and being saved. (celestial/spiritual)
May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

1 Cor 15:42-49
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
NKJV

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #116]

Christ was referred to in John 1:1 as the Word. He was the representative of God and spoke what God told him to say. He was God's spokesman.

He said: "I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak. Also, I know that his commandment means everlasting life. Therefore the things I speak, just as the Father has told me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

[myth-one.com]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

[onewithhim]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?