God created all things by Jesus Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

Peace and God bless

[myth-one.com]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

I figured it out myself. I have come to many conclusions on my own and the JWs were merely in agreement with what I had already concluded.

Did you figure out on your own that "The Word is not God" even after reading the following verse?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

I have seen that the Greek language's translation is different than English translation. John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God Almighty.

Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1 !

Your problem is that you are confusing the Word with Jesus.

Jesus is not the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

The Word made flesh was the man, Jesus Christ:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

The one God and the man Jesus Christ are different type of beings! God is a Spirit and Jesus is a physical bodied man.

[Capbook]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

I figured it out myself. I have come to many conclusions on my own and the JWs were merely in agreement with what I had already concluded.

Did you figure out on your own that "The Word is not God" even after reading the following verse?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

I have seen that the Greek language's translation is different than English translation. John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God Almighty.

Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1 !

Your problem is that you are confusing the Word with Jesus.

Jesus is not the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

The Word made flesh was the man, Jesus Christ:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

The one God and the man Jesus Christ are different type of beings! God is a Spirit and Jesus is a physical bodied man.

We believe in the dual nature of Jesus, He was made flesh (John 1:14) as man, and He being God before being made flesh. (Rom 9:5) (Phil 2:6)

John 1:14
[And the Word was made flesh] The word "flesh," here, is evidently used to denote "human nature" or "man." The "Word" was made "man." This is commonly expressed by saying that he became "incarnate." When we say that a being becomes "incarnate," we mean that one of a higher order than man, and of a different nature, assumes the appearance of man or becomes a man. Here it is meant that "the Word," or the second person of the Trinity, whom John had just proved to be equal with God, became a man, or was united with the man Jesus of Nazareth, so that it might be said that he "was made flesh."
(Barnes' )

Matt 16:15-18
15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
NIV

Rom 9:5
5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
NIV

[myth-one.com]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

I figured it out myself. I have come to many conclusions on my own and the JWs were merely in agreement with what I had already concluded.

Did you figure out on your own that "The Word is not God" even after reading the following verse?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

I have seen that the Greek language's translation is different than English translation. John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God Almighty.

Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1 !

Your problem is that you are confusing the Word with Jesus.

Jesus is not the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

The Word made flesh was the man, Jesus Christ:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

The one God and the man Jesus Christ are different type of beings! God is a Spirit and Jesus is a physical bodied man.

We believe in the dual nature of Jesus, He was made flesh (John 1:14) as man, and He being God before being made flesh. (Rom 9:5) (Phil 2:6)

John 1:14
[And the Word was made flesh] The word "flesh," here, is evidently used to denote "human nature" or "man." The "Word" was made "man." This is commonly expressed by saying that he became "incarnate." When we say that a being becomes "incarnate," we mean that one of a higher order than man, and of a different nature, assumes the appearance of man or becomes a man. Here it is meant that "the Word," or the second person of the Trinity, whom John had just proved to be equal with God, became a man, or was united with the man Jesus of Nazareth, so that it might be said that he "was made flesh."
(Barnes' )

Matt 16:15-18
15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
NIV

Rom 9:5
5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
NIV

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix. There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures!

Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

[John17_3]

@myth-one.com The Word was with God.
Do you believe this? Can you then please explain how the Word was with God?

[myth-one.com]

@myth-one.com The Word was with God.
Do you believe this? Can you then please explain how the Word was with God?

John Chapter 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There are two type of beings, natural and spiritual. Likewise, there is a natural world, and there is a spiritual world.

Man can barely understand the natural world.

Man cannot understand the spiritual world.

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Nonetheless, I will give my opinion of what "and the Word was with God" could mean.

It could simply mean that they are both at the same location. But if God is omnipresent, then that is an unnecessary statement.

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Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything.

God would be the designer, and the Word would be in the construction end of the creation business.

And they were together as one in their agreement as to the overall plan.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #105]

There are two type of beings, natural and spiritual. Likewise, there is a natural world, and there is a spiritual world.

Man can barely understand the natural world.

Man cannot understand the spiritual world.

<=============================================>

Nonetheless, I will give my opinion of what "and the Word was with God" could mean.

It could simply mean that they are both at the same location. But if God is omnipresent, then that is an unnecessary statement.

<=============================================>

Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything.

God would be the designer, and the Word would be in the construction end of the creation business.

And they were together as one in their agreement as to the overall plan.

Thank you.

I agree there is a physical world and a spiritual world.
Paul mentioned this at 1 Corinthians 15:39, 40
It is also true, that man barely understands this world, so how much more so, the spiritual world.

I appreciate hearing your opinion, thanks.
You said, "It could simply mean that they are both at the same location".
So, they, and both refer to more than one, you would agree?

So, in your opinion, is the Word, one person, and God, the other person?
Or is God one part, and the Word, another part?
I asked the later, because you said "if God is omnipresent, then that is an unnecessary statement." Which seems to suggest that you are saying God is more than one part.

You said, "Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything."
So, this seems to confirm that you believe God is divided into parts - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Is that your belief?
If so, may I ask why you believe this, since the holy spirit is never referred to as God, or by any name, but issues from God, and is called the spirit of God?

There are other questions I have, but I had better wait until I understand your beliefs first.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #105]

There are two type of beings, natural and spiritual. Likewise, there is a natural world, and there is a spiritual world.

Man can barely understand the natural world.

Man cannot understand the spiritual world.

<=============================================>

Nonetheless, I will give my opinion of what "and the Word was with God" could mean.

It could simply mean that they are both at the same location. But if God is omnipresent, then that is an unnecessary statement.

<=============================================>

Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything.

God would be the designer, and the Word would be in the construction end of the creation business.

And they were together as one in their agreement as to the overall plan.

Thank you.

I agree there is a physical world and a spiritual world.
Paul mentioned this at 1 Corinthians 15:39, 40
It is also true, that man barely understands this world, so how much more so, the spiritual world.

I appreciate hearing your opinion, thanks.
You said, "It could simply mean that they are both at the same location".
So, they, and both refer to more than one, you would agree?

No. If God is omnipresent and unique, then God is always at more than one location. He is always everywhere.

So, in your opinion, is the Word, one person, and God, the other person?

No. Neither is a person:

Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.

You said, "Another probable meaning is that God the Father and God the Word agree with God the Father's plan for the creation of everything."
So, this seems to confirm that you believe God is divided into parts - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Is that your belief?

No, there is one whole being which is God.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #107]

No. If God is omnipresent and unique, then God is always at more than one location. He is always everywhere.
No. Neither is a person:
No, there is one whole being which is God.

So, he - God, is they and both? What did you mean be "both" and "they"?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #107]

No. If God is omnipresent and unique, then God is always at more than one location. He is always everywhere.
No. Neither is a person:
No, there is one whole being which is God.

So, he - God, is they and both? What did you mean be "both" and "they"?

Both: used to refer to two people or things.

They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.

Did you mean "be" or "by"?

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #109]

No. If God is omnipresent and unique, then God is always at more than one location. He is always everywhere.
No. Neither is a person:
No, there is one whole being which is God.

So, he - God, is they and both? What did you mean be "both" and "they"?

Both: used to refer to two people or things.

They: used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned.

Did you mean "be" or "by"?

No. I meant "they" and "both", and you did answer the question, thanks.
So if "they" and "both" refer to more than one person, and things, and God is not more than one person, or parts, then you have not given an explanation, since you cannot use "they" and "both", when describing the Word being with God.

Would it be fair to say then, you cannot explain how it is the Word is with God?
Also, since you believe "they" are not two Gods, but one, then there is a disagreement with what you believe and John 1:1.