Tired of being considered a sinner.

[Darren]

Since I am not an adherant to christianity, I am not a sinner. Christians steadily refer to non-christians as sinners, but we are not - indeed we could not be.
I think it is important to make the distinction, because I for one do not want to be judged by their twisted and impossible system of right and wrong. I think christians would do well to remember that non-christian = non-sinner.

[Greatest I Am]

Biblically, Jesus said that to even think evil or badly was to sin.

Just because some guy said it, doesn't make it so.

Many believe that He died for our sins although they at the same time believe in a hell for those who will not allow Him to absolve them of theirs. A strange twist in their thinking.

Many also believe that he was his own father, yet that somehow he was not guilty of incest. There are many impossible twists to make if one is to believe what the bible has to say.

We are supposed to be here to reproduce and study good and evil in order to know the mind of God. This is difficult if there is no sinning going on. Right?

You assert that we have a purpose here. Do you base this assertion on evidence? Is it based on what someone told you, or what an old fiction book told you?

I have only anecdotal evidence of the existence of God. Unless you have the same, there is no proof that I could possibly show you.

As to the purpose of life, in a word, pleasure.
I expand this word to mean all the things we do for enjoyment from arts to science and all things in between.

God lives for the same.

What other possible reason could encompass all things?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I Am]

We are supposed to be here to reproduce and study good and evil in order to know the mind of God. This is difficult if there is no sinning going on. Right?

It would be, if one recognized that purpose for one's existence. Personally, I find it as insulting to be called a "sinner", as having a purpose for my existence "assigned" to me.

You are a free agent and no one here can assign anything to you or anyone else for that mater. We are here to banty ideas around, not each other.

If you have nothing that you ever regret doing or saying, then that is fine. If you are not a sinner that is fine as well. Enjoy the felling.

Regards
DL

[fisherofmen]

There is the proof that your god is awful. Love me or burn forever - so saith the lord lol.
By the way, isn't that you judging those who are prideful?
That is a really proud hat the pope wears!

It's the self righteous who don't feel they have sinned is who is big trouble with God.

Thats a paraphrase from the Bible.

*I didn't judge in my post, I informed of judging. To say "oh that woman is big" is judging.
*I agree on your opinion on the Pope, but he isn't my Pope, I am a Baptist.
*There was no proof given in my text of God being awful. Rather I pointed out that He understands our short comings and allows us a chance to redeem ourselves before him through Christ, in following him he does give promises of salvation and a good life. Look up Gods promises and see if you would like to have that.

Most important of all- If you were God, what would do with your children? Would you not give them a fair chance?

[Darren]

I have only anecdotal evidence of the existence of God. Unless you have the same, there is no proof that I could possibly show you.

There is no evidence anywhere, of god or gods, that could not be explained by hallucination.

As to the purpose of life, in a word, pleasure.

I will choose my own purpose, thank you.

I expand this word to mean all the things we do for enjoyment from arts to science and all things in between.

I think it is important for everyone to be able to choose his or her own path, and his or her own purpose (thanks Beto)

[Darren]

Most important of all- If you were God, what would do with your children? Would you not give them a fair chance?

I would not toy with lives (such as Yahweh did with Abraham and Isaac). I would not call your god 'fair', either. How many people are born with defects which make their life a living hell? Your god is the miracle-worker behind this, if the bible is to be believed.
Fair? Fair your god isn't. Is it fair to say to all humans "you are born in debt, and only if you work rituals in a special way will you be cleansed. If you do it wrong, you burn for eternity."
There is another spot of unfairness. Your god punishes eternally for things that were minor in comparison.

[Goat]

There is the proof that your god is awful. Love me or burn forever - so saith the lord lol.
By the way, isn't that you judging those who are prideful?
That is a really proud hat the pope wears!

It's the self righteous who don't feel they have sinned is who is big trouble with God.

Thats a paraphrase from the Bible.

*I didn't judge in my post, I informed of judging. To say "oh that woman is big" is judging.
*I agree on your opinion on the Pope, but he isn't my Pope, I am a Baptist.
*There was no proof given in my text of God being awful. Rather I pointed out that He understands our short comings and allows us a chance to redeem ourselves before him through Christ, in following him he does give promises of salvation and a good life. Look up Gods promises and see if you would like to have that.

Most important of all- If you were God, what would do with your children? Would you not give them a fair chance?

In other words, he understands our shortcomings, but if we chant the magic words and kiss butt, he won't burn us forever. The way you present it , it makes God out to be an extortionist.

[bernee51]

I'm a sinner, I sin all day, God sees every bit of it, but he forgives and understands it's impossible for us to be any other way, because were born with "sinful nature", or what the Catholics call "original sin".

And this has become such an issue because of Paul's self hatred.

I am not a sinner. Sin is a transgression against the supposed 'laws of god'. This god does not exist ergo sin does not exist.

To say you are a sinner is a great thing.

To say you are human is a great thing.

In God's eye's you have taken a huge step in the right direction.

God does not have eyes.

It's the self righteous who don't feel they have sinned is who is big trouble with God.

It is the self righteous who tell them that who are in trouble with their concept of 'self'.

Smoking is a sin (do not abuse your body)
Depression is a sin (rejoice in me)
Lusting after anyone but your spouse, is a sin. (do not covet)
Judging others is a sin (do not judge)
Pride is the worst one of all (be humble)

Some of these things may cause me moral angst...or may not. But sin's they are not.

If you REALLY want to be in the biggest of trouble with God, then go get you a bunch of pride and tell the world he doesn't exist. One way ticket to the furnace.

Is you god a loving god? If so is this love unconditional?

I routinely find myself judging, and feeling depressed some days. Sometimes I look twice at woman, sin. I HAVE SINNED. I opinionate and accuse from day to day, its all sin! The preacher of my church will leap up tell the whole darn church from time to time I AM A SINNER.

I feel sorry that you have such a low opinion of your own humanity. I feel sorry that you see yourself as second class in the universe with your meaning and purpose being derived from a particular perception of a concept. I feel sorry that you see yourself as inherently evil. I feel sorry that you instill this in innocent children.

May you be happy, kind, loving and peaceful.

[Goat]

If you REALLY want to be in the biggest of trouble with God, then go get you a bunch of pride and tell the world he doesn't exist. One way ticket to the furnace.

Is you god a loving god? If so is this love unconditional?

I routinely find myself judging, and feeling depressed some days. Sometimes I look twice at woman, sin. I HAVE SINNED. I opinionate and accuse from day to day, its all sin! The preacher of my church will leap up tell the whole darn church from time to time I AM A SINNER.

I feel sorry that you have such a low opinion of your own humanity. I feel sorry that you see yourself as second class in the universe with your meaning and purpose being derived from a particular perception of a concept. I feel sorry that you see yourself as inherently evil. I feel sorry that you instill this in innocent children.

May you be happy, kind, loving and peaceful.

I find not only it is sorry to have such a low opinion of humanity, but such a low opinion of God. To think that God would give someone a 'one way ticket to the furnace' for being God has made them tells me more about the person than God.

[Beto]

We are supposed to be here to reproduce and study good and evil in order to know the mind of God. This is difficult if there is no sinning going on. Right?

It would be, if one recognized that purpose for one's existence. Personally, I find it as insulting to be called a "sinner", as having a purpose for my existence "assigned" to me.

You are a free agent and no one here can assign anything to you or anyone else for that mater. We are here to banty ideas around, not each other.

Be more careful about what you write than. You specifically assigned a purpose for my existence, or am I not included in "we"?

If you have nothing that you ever regret doing or saying, then that is fine.

I don't remember saying that. Does "straw man" ring a bell?

If you are not a sinner that is fine as well. Enjoy the felling.

It does feel rather nice. Thank you.

[Greatest I Am]

We are supposed to be here to reproduce and study good and evil in order to know the mind of God. This is difficult if there is no sinning going on. Right?

It would be, if one recognized that purpose for one's existence. Personally, I find it as insulting to be called a "sinner", as having a purpose for my existence "assigned" to me.

You are a free agent and no one here can assign anything to you or anyone else for that mater. We are here to banty ideas around, not each other.

Be more careful about what you write than. You specifically assigned a purpose for my existence, or am I not included in "we"?

If you have nothing that you ever regret doing or saying, then that is fine.

I don't remember saying that. Does "straw man" ring a bell?

If you are not a sinner that is fine as well. Enjoy the felling.

It does feel rather nice. Thank you.

One of my contentions is that we are born Perfect.
You may be the proof.

I gave a word for the purpose of life, what is yours?

Regards
DL