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Spaceman13 · Post by **Spaceman13** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:30 am

Does anyone have "proof" that God/Satan exists? If there is evidence I'd sure like to hear it. This being a debate site we should have proof but I can't think of any.

Shermana · Post by **Shermana** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:40 pm

I asked you to back your claim about things that can live before the sun that could produce Oxygen or retract it. Why don't you start with that. And if you can't, my case is proven.

Is one of the rules that you have to retract an unsupported claim?

If so, I've supported my claim that nothing known of can produce Oxygen without an Ozone layer already in place, you haven't produced yours that something can.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:40 pm

Shermana wrote:"Which just demonstrates that even the most learned of men can be wrong"

You'll have to demonstrate he was wrong or retract.

Has god been proven to cause gravity? If not he is wrong.

Ragna · Post by **Ragna** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:41 pm

Shermana wrote:Just because you think its not relevant, doesn't make it so. And just because you think its not consistent with reality, doesn't make it so.

Until you can prove Genesis to be a 100% accurate picture of this world with factual evidence (which can't be, given Gen 1:7 and many other discrepancies, in this world), it won't be relevant within the debate, because it will have no bearing on the existence of God, just like the Greek theogony. This is not something I choose, just point out.

Shermana wrote:If you want to ignore my request for you to copy and paste your explanation of how the Ozone layer came to be and what existed before the Ozone layer to produce the Oxygen, feel free.

When this topic first came up, I said it would be better to create a new thread, and you responded by saying "Go ahead and create one". That has been done and I have responded extensively there. This is a forum and everyone can read every thread.

If you want to ignore that that thread exists to discuss those things, it's your choice. It's also your choice if you don't want to discuss things in the appropriate sections, but it's not one I feel inclined to. You're free as well to do whatever you want, but I can't do any more.

adammfr · Post by **adammfr** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:42 pm

"Which just demonstrates that even the most learned of men can be wrong"

You'll have to demonstrate he was wrong or retract.

No, Newton would have to demonstrate to us that he was right.

Shermana · Post by **Shermana** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:42 pm

Wyvern wrote:
Shermana wrote:"Which just demonstrates that even the most learned of men can be wrong"

You'll have to demonstrate he was wrong or retract.
Has god been proven to cause gravity? If not he is wrong.

Someone is only wrong once they've been disproven. You can state there's a flying Spaghetti monster for example, the difference is that Newton mapped out Gravity pretty well, and even Einstein didn't understand it.

Maybe Gravity is what drove Einstein to Pantheism.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:43 pm

Shermana wrote:I asked you to back your claim about things that can live before the sun that could produce Oxygen. Why don't you start with that. And if you can't, my case is proven.

Sounds like you are asking me to prove your claim. I never claimed that anything in this solar system lived before the sun nor would I because the sun was the first thing to form in our solar system. You on the other hand have made the claim that both the earth and plants were around before the formation of the sun while at the same time have never bothered explaning how ozone formed without the sun to create it.

Ragna · Post by **Ragna** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:44 pm

Shermana wrote:I asked you to back your claim about things that can live before the sun that could produce Oxygen or retract it. Why don't you start with that. And if you can't, my case is proven.

Is one of the rules that you have to retract an unsupported claim?

If so, I've supported my claim that nothing known of can produce Oxygen without an Ozone layer already in place, you haven't produced yours that something can.

You have not proven any claim of yours, I'm afraid, and that's why I have asked you to provide your evidence for it adequately

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Shermana · Post by **Shermana** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:46 pm

That's right, keep dodging my request for how you believe the Ozone layer came to be to be copied and pasted here.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:47 pm

Shermana wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Shermana wrote:"Which just demonstrates that even the most learned of men can be wrong"

You'll have to demonstrate he was wrong or retract.
Has god been proven to cause gravity? If not he is wrong.
Someone is only wrong once they've been disproven.
So you admit that his comments about the causes of gravity have not been proven. Why did you bother bringing up an unfounded statement as if it were fact, sounds like you were making an appeal to authority.

Ragna · Post by **Ragna** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:48 pm

Shermana wrote:That's right, keep dodging my request for how you believe the Ozone layer came to be to be copied and pasted here.

You can keep dodging the link. Yours strikes me as a puerile and hypocritical attitude, since you conceded that I create a separate thread and you act like if it didn't exist. This can only speak for the maturity on your part, which is highly indicative of the level of debate attainable.