If there is an afterlife

pleinmont · Post by **pleinmont** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:52 am

In the unlikely event of there being an afterlife what will it be like? Would we be the same people we are here on earth or totally different? If someone passes into the afterlife as a child, will they stay as such, not growing into an adult? If a person has a disability or illness will they continue to suffer from it?

What do others think?

William · Post by **William** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:13 am

William: All this business about a demon pretending to be Samuel and Saul and the seer-woman being deceived apparently proving that there is no afterlife for anyone to experience has me wondering what Jesus was doing up on a high mountain interacting with deceiving demons masquerading as Moses and Elijah!

If Jesus did belong to a Jewish sect which believed in afterlife, why do today's sects, such as the JWs who believe otherwise, claim to follow Jesus?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:26 am

William wrote: William: All this business about a demon pretending to be Samuel and Saul and the seer-woman being deceived ...

Are you suggesting demons don't exist or that they do exist but are always honest and above board?

2 CORINTHIANS 11:14 - Berean Study Bible

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

JOHN 8:44

When he [The devil] lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

JW

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pleinmont · Post by **pleinmont** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:41 am

Demons have no more credibility than any other fictional character, I don't think there are any in captivity.

William · Post by **William** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:01 am

[Replying to post 22 by JehovahsWitness]

William: All this business about a demon pretending to be Samuel and Saul and the seer-woman being deceived apparently proving that there is no afterlife for anyone to experience has me wondering what Jesus was doing up on a high mountain interacting with deceiving demons masquerading as Moses and Elijah!

JW: Are you suggesting demons don't exist or that they do exist but are always honest and above board?

William: Why I asked the question:

If Jesus did belong to a Jewish sect which believed in afterlife, why do today's sects, such as the JWs who believe otherwise, claim to follow Jesus?

Is to point out that the JW sect does not follow Jesus as Jesus believed in the afterlife and the story about Moses and Elijah seen with him on the mountain should be regarded by the sect members as "deceiving demons masquerading".

Indeed, all stories of this kind - such as Saul on the road to Damascus should fall under the same suspicion.

Are you suggesting that in the case of Jesus, the masquerading demons on the mountain were in this instance - "honest and above board"

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:50 pm

[Replying to post 24 by William]

First we need to establish if demons are never deceptive then we will take things from there. If we can trust they are always honest then there is no issue, we dont have to look any further. If demons are never ever deceptive there is no possibility that one could have decieved the witch of endor. End of story.

If, however, they cannot always be trusted to say the truth, we have a number of issues that need to be resolved but first things first... can a demon lie? Yes or No?

JW

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:54 pm

Red Wolf wrote: Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.

Yeah, indeed, they have no share in all that is under the sun. It continues and says also:

...And the dust returns to the earth as it was, And the spirit returns to God who gave it...
Ecc. 12:7

William · Post by **William** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:58 pm

[Replying to post 25]

JehovahsWitness: First we need to establish if demons are never deceptive then we will take things from there. If we can trust they are always honest then there is no issue, we dont have to look any further. If demons are never ever deceptive there is no possibility that one could have decieved the witch of endor. End of story.

If, however, they cannot always be trusted to say the truth, we have a number of issues that need to be resolved but first things first... can a demon lie? Yes or No?

William: Traditionally speaking Demons can lie.

Can an Angel lie, yes or no?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:24 pm

William wrote: Can an Angel lie, yes or no?[/color]

A demon is an angel, Satan is an Angel ... so of course yes angels can lie.

William wrote:William: Traditionally speaking Demons can lie

Well than traditionally speaking it is not beyond the realms of possibility that one lied through the witch of Endor is it? And traditionally speaking one would have to look to other indicators (other than the mere fact that it is a supernatural experience) as to whether one is being lied to, duped, tricked or mislead....traditionally speaking of course.

Logic,

JW

William · Post by **William** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:44 pm

[Replying to post 28 ]

JehovahsWitness: Can an Angel lie, yes or no?

William: Traditionally speaking Demons can lie

JehovahsWitness: Well than traditionally speaking it is not beyond the realms of possibility that one lied through the witch of Endor is it?

William: I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I wasn't arguing against that.

JehovahsWitness: And traditionally speaking one would have to look to other indicators (other than the mere fact that it is a supernatural experience) as to whether one is being lied to, duped, tricked or mislead....traditionally speaking of course.

Logic,

William: Okay so you have skirted around what I was saying. I will repeat it;

All this business about a demon pretending to be Samuel and Saul and the seer-woman being deceived apparently proving that there is no afterlife for anyone to experience has me wondering what Jesus was doing up on a high mountain interacting with deceiving demons masquerading as Moses and Elijah!

The circumstances of the various encounters, being different, how? What is the indication through all these stories that there is no afterlife?

William · Post by **William** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:37 pm

William: Also...could you please explain to the reader where in the story where you see the possibility that a demon lied through the witch of Endo...would be helpful in understanding your view on the matter more clearly...