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Is the biblical Jehovah the most EVIL god ever imagined …?
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The moral argument you employ here fails to draw any significant distinction between the deity you believe in and any other deity who claims the right to destroy en masse.TheGreatDebate wrote: Yes the God of the Bible has killed more and promises to kill more than any other deity in any other religious text in existence (to my knowledge.) If He is God, does He have the right to?
I am just very curious as to why all the charges of “murderer,� “disgusting,� etc… are flying around. I assume you all are atheists? From what moral authority do you assign these terms from?
Amos 3:61213 wrote:Bible God is not evil, because he doesn’t do anything evil or wrong.
The Book of Amos describes God as planning the burning of seven cities. Of course, if everyone in those cities were worshipping other gods, then they’d deserve to die and God would be perfectly right and good to burn them to death. [/sarcasm]Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Elijah John wrote: [Replying to post 1 by SallyF]
Does that sound like an evil God to you?He has told you, O man, what is good and what YHVH requires of you, but to do justice, to love kindness and walk humbly with your God?
Correction: Humans writing religion promotional material CLAIM that their favorite 'God' (among thousands proposed, worshiped, loved, feared, fought over) said such things.TheGreatDebate wrote: The God of the Bible claims Himself exclusive.
Worshipers of various 'gods' often claim that their favorite is supreme and/or above others (“My god is bigger than your god�). There is no assurance that such claims are anything more than products of human imagination or delusion.TheGreatDebate wrote: By definition there are no other equals to Him. But following your argument, other potential “gods� would have to follow God’s rules and be subject to his “veto� powers.
You are indeed misunderstanding. Other gods have to follow only their own rules if they're the only gods who exist. The exclusivity of a particular god isn't proven by someone writing in a book that a particular god is exclusive.TheGreatDebate wrote: [Replying to post 10 by Athetotheist]
How so? The God of the Bible claims Himself exclusive. By definition there are no other equals to Him. But following your argument, other potential “gods� would have to follow God’s rules and be subject to his “veto� powers.
Please explain if I am misunderstanding.
He is and he does. I hold an allegedly perfect being like God to a higher standard than I hold mere human beings. An omnipotent being has every possible option at his disposal when it comes to solving any problem. When God chose the option of virtually destroying Egypt and, worse still, killing all the first born humans and livestock, I judge that as wrong and evil.Bible God is not evil, because he doesn’t do anything evil or wrong.
I haven't accused any God of any crimes. That's your absurd perspective on things.TheGreatDebate wrote: What do you mean whether he has the right to do anything or not? You yourself in your post admitted to subjective morality. How can you accuse God of moral crimes?
That's absolutely correct. Any God that's supposedly righteous had better, not only live up to my standards, but he darn well better exceed them without bound. The God created by the Hebrew mythologists doesn't even come close to meeting that criteria.TheGreatDebate wrote:So to you, God must be measured up to your standards. If He does not fit your criteria, than He is either not god or he shouldn’t be god. Correct?“If Yahweh can do anything he wants just because he feels like it , then I cannot trust him, he might do something bad to me for no good reason. That’s not a God I could trust.�
Excuse me? It's the Bible that demands that God is righteous and just.TheGreatDebate wrote:Absolutely. Especially amongst contemporary Christians. It is like the Bible is irrelevant to them.“I also think that Biblical theist quickly lose sight of their own criteria for their God.�
Keep in mind that we're talking about the fictitious God of the Bible here. So we can't ignore the history that the Bible claims about him.TheGreatDebate wrote:Based on what? What makes Him evil? Is it the social costs we now see in our economy? Again, from what moral standard do you make these claims? From your own? Is God evil because He doesn't believe your folklore?“That alone makes him an evil God right there. If he’ll hurt anyone for not believing in Hebrew folklore then he’s already an evil demon…�
Jesus never wrote anything down. All you could possible recite are hearsay rumors about what he had supposedly said. Rumors that can't even be trusted. Moreover, let's not pretend that you aren't going cherry-pick verses that will support your views and ignore the verses that contradict your views.TheGreatDebate wrote: “Don’t you agree that attempting to apologize for a God who wasn’t able to make his own case clear is a pretty sad state of affairs?
Well, it would seem like that wouldn’t it? He said in the Prophets that He is removing Himself until His return. Until then, He is gone. You may find all kinds of things to say now and that is fine. I will just leave you with Jesus’ words.
Very nice cherry-picking.TheGreatDebate wrote: He isn’t trying to save everyone.
Matthew 13:10-15
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
If He spoke plainly than everyone would understand. That isn’t His goal. God created the universe for only His sons.