If you belive God create it, then God at least does nothing to stop it. Is God killing many humans again to be spiteful? To teach us a lesson? Just because he can?
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IS God testing us to make sure we still have faith as he kills your parents, spouse or kids?
Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
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Re: Where did the covid-19 virus come from?
Post #51False analogies. Try these instead:JehovahsWitness wrote:This false dichotomy comparable to saying that if robbing a bank results in jail time, going to banks is illegal. Or if sleeping with a woman gets you shot by her husband, sex causes gunshot wounds.Purple Knight wrote:
If sickness and death were a natural result of eating the apple, then the apple was dangerous.
If sickness and death were a natural result of eating the apple, then the apple was dangerous.
If jail time was a natural result of robbing a bank, then robbing a bank was dangerous.
If getting shot was a natural result of sleeping with a woman, then sleeping with a woman is dangerous.
Do you still anything illogical about these statements?
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #52Speak for yourself.brunumb wrote:Amoeba are not made in our image...
And let me tell you, I get super mad at amoebae that eat ham or are a bit too motile on Saturday.
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #53I don’t see what would be the other purpose.bluegreenearth wrote:If governments/central banks were to stop asking for donations and discontinue the limitations on freedom, would that demonstrate the virus was not created by people or could it have still been created by people for some other nefarious purpose?
Maybe, however, if it would not be from them, I don’t think there would be any other probable reason for this pandemic, if we look how this started and what explanations were give and how they changed.bluegreenearth wrote: If the virus was not created by people, could governments/central banks still have taken advantage of the pandemic to receive donations and limit freedoms?
But, I don’t have any reason to make you to believe government is behind this and actually at this point I think this whole pandemic is fake and the virus is no more dangerous than common influenza, it has just been shown in a way that would scare people and make it easier for governments to be more fascistic.
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #54Well, if no evidence would convince you otherwise, then your belief cannot be based on evidence. As such, you have demonstrated yourself to be doxastically closed. Therefore, no further progress can be made with this conversation.1213 wrote:I don’t see what would be the other purpose.bluegreenearth wrote:If governments/central banks were to stop asking for donations and discontinue the limitations on freedom, would that demonstrate the virus was not created by people or could it have still been created by people for some other nefarious purpose?
Maybe, however, if it would not be from them, I don’t think there would be any other probable reason for this pandemic, if we look how this started and what explanations were give and how they changed.bluegreenearth wrote: If the virus was not created by people, could governments/central banks still have taken advantage of the pandemic to receive donations and limit freedoms?
But, I don’t have any reason to make you to believe government is behind this and actually at this point I think this whole pandemic is fake and the virus is no more dangerous than common influenza, it has just been shown in a way that would scare people and make it easier for governments to be more fascistic.
You are welcome to place yourself at risk for contracting COVID-19, but at least have the moral decency to comply with the CDC guidelines out of respect for the rest of us who prefer not to gamble human lives on an unsupported conspiracy theory.
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #55.
March 31, 2020. As of Monday, the coronavirus cases in Finland stood at 1,313 with 13 deaths, according to the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL). http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-0 ... 936343.htm
Since you think the Corona virus is a hoax, perhaps you can volunteer to care for people infected – without any need for personal protection equipment. Caring for others would be a good Christian thing to do, wouldn't it?
The present virus could produce results comparable to the 1918 -- 1919 influenza
Your location indicates Finland.1213 wrote: I think this whole pandemic is fake and the virus is no more dangerous than common influenza, it has just been shown in a way that would scare people and make it easier for governments to be more fascistic.
March 31, 2020. As of Monday, the coronavirus cases in Finland stood at 1,313 with 13 deaths, according to the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL). http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-0 ... 936343.htm
Since you think the Corona virus is a hoax, perhaps you can volunteer to care for people infected – without any need for personal protection equipment. Caring for others would be a good Christian thing to do, wouldn't it?
The present virus could produce results comparable to the 1918 -- 1919 influenza
Yup, just a hoax by the governmentIt is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... -h1n1.html
The Spanish flu, now called an influenza pandemic, a world-embracing epidemic, broke out at the end of the first World War in the spring of 1918. About 30-40 million people in the world died from the Spanish flu. In Finland in 1918-1920, about 30,000 more people than normally died. The greatest amount of these were due to influenza. In addition to this, at least 2,500 red partisan prisoners in prisoner of war camps were victims of influenza during the civil war. One of the unusual characteristics of the Spanish flu was the exceptional number of young adults who died.
In Finland, as in other countries, the Spanish flu broke out in waves of a few month intervals. The deadliest wave was in autumn, 1918, when the influenza spread nearly immediately to all inhabited parts of the earth. It even reached Lapland and in Kittilä, for example, nearly 40 inhabitants died. The disease was rather docile in Inari then and did not spread much.
The final display of the Spanish flu began in December, 1919. In Finland the most devastating wave of influenza was experienced in Inari. Inari and Utsjoki regional physician Yrjö Jukola noted that the first to fall ill to influenza occurred on the 10th of January, 1920 in the village of Kaamanen. The patients became infected on a market trip to the village of Näätämö on the Norwegian side. The disease spread rapidly throughout the whole of Kaamanen and to other villages.
http://www.samimuseum.fi/anaras/english ... anjan.html
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Post #56
As long as this present system of things continues, believers are just as subject to sickness, suffering, accident and death as non-believers. God has chosen to allow such suffering, even of his own, to settle the universal issues raised in Eden. One of which was that all humans would only serve God from self interst. Keeping one's integrity, even under trials, allows believers to expose Satan as the vile liar he has always been.Donray wrote:Why does God allow this virus to kill believers that have faith? Why doesn't pray cure it?
JOB 2:4 - New Living Translation
Satan replied to the LORD, “Skin for skin! A man will give up everything he has to save his life.
JOB 2:4 -Good News Translation
But now suppose you hurt his body--he will curse you to your face!".

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That is a perfect example of why I no longer believe in the absurd 'God' of the Bible. The graphic is a wonderful choice for this belief system, drawn as it is in the style of fantasy paperbacks.
That is a perfect example of why I no longer believe in the absurd 'God' of the Bible. The graphic is a wonderful choice for this belief system, drawn as it is in the style of fantasy paperbacks.
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...Is he wrong? Can you truly say there is any act you would never do?JehovahsWitness wrote:Satan argued that under test all Humans would break integrity and act independently of God.
Abraham had to be willing to kill his son. That was the right answer.
The very first Milgram experiment. And the right answer was hardly what any of us would think.
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Purple Knight wrote:...Is he wrong?JehovahsWitness wrote:Satan argued that under test all Humans would break integrity and act independently of God.
Yes he's wrong. Throughout history, even to our modern age, people have put their loyalty to God ahead of even their own lives. Satan was unable to break biblical integrity of Job and of many others, Jesus Christ being the greatest example.
That issue has been defintitivly settled and Satans days are numbered.
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Who are in the picture???
I hope you don't think that God looks like human. If there is a God it mots likely looks like an amoeba.
Also, I do not understand how your god allowing your grandparents to die from a virus proves that Satan is bad. Looks like your God is bad for allowing people to die when it could save them.
Explain how a so called Satan has anything to do with your God allowing people to die? Also, you admit the your God does not answer prays how is that Satan's fault?
Who are in the picture???
I hope you don't think that God looks like human. If there is a God it mots likely looks like an amoeba.
Also, I do not understand how your god allowing your grandparents to die from a virus proves that Satan is bad. Looks like your God is bad for allowing people to die when it could save them.
Explain how a so called Satan has anything to do with your God allowing people to die? Also, you admit the your God does not answer prays how is that Satan's fault?