Yahweh

[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

Okay, 133 peeks and still not a peep that the biblical "God" is anything more than imaginary.


Let's forget about Commandments for a moment, and take a look at a more modern depiction of the mythological Middle East Yahweh: with the addition of Jesus and the Holy Ghost





Yahweh is the old white man who has had his wrath assuaged because his son, Jesus, tricked the Roman Empire into executing him as a bloody human sacrifice, because Yahweh is a god that has his emotions soothed by watching things die.

The bird is the Holy Ghost.

Is THIS expanded version of the old man on the wheel with a bird any LESS imaginary perhaps ...?

For many, many people ...

These depictions represent God with a capital G.

[SallyF]

God the Father with God the Holy Ghost sitting on a cloud surrounded by heavenly glory and legions of adoring angels. Artwork by D. A. Vaccaro. https://restoredtraditions.com/products ... st-vaccaro


We can falsely give the mythological, chariot-riding, bird-handling, planet-flooding Middle East god Yahweh the appellation "God" with a capital G

And claim that he is real and everyone else's god is false.

The commandment-breaking image above is much more modern than the OP image.

But no matter how we dress it up

Or no matter what we toss out of our belief balloons


At the very FOUNDATION of Christianity

We are dealing with an ancient deity that is NEVER shown to be anything other than imaginary.

"God"

Whatever THAT may mean

May exist in some way.

But the Yahweh god is NOT God with a capital G.

And Yahweh is NEVER shown to be anything other than human make-believe.


We can drift away into all sorts of clouds of hermeneutical eschatological redemptive epistemologies, or whatever.

But the very FOUNDATION of our current or former Christianity is NEVER shown to be anything other than primitive imaginings and make-believe.

Some of us - I suggest - poke our heads in the sand and pretend we don't know this.

[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

We are approaching 200 views of this thread.

Not a soul has begun to demonstrate that the biblical "God" is anything more than imaginary.

Modern folks have imagined the Middle East Yahweh thus





Can there be the slightest doubt that ANY of the claims concerning the biblical Yahweh are nothing more than make-believe ...?

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...Not a soul has begun to demonstrate that the biblical "God" is anything more than imaginary....

If you want that all people believe your claim, you should prove it. It doesnt work so that you expect others to prove you wrong. Or what do you think, if I say: If no one can prove Bible God doesnt exist, then it means Bible God exists, is that ok, would you accept it?

[Clownboat]

...Not a soul has begun to demonstrate that the biblical "God" is anything more than imaginary....

If you want that all people believe your claim, you should prove it. It doesnt work so that you expect others to prove you wrong. Or what do you think, if I say: If no one can prove Bible God doesnt exist, then it means Bible God exists, is that ok, would you accept it?

You quoted Sally, but forgot to address what you quoted. Why is that?

Now, on to your question.
Your attempt at logic has failed. We don't believe claims because we cannot show them to be false. Imagine all the invisible make believe we would be forced to accept if that was accepted behavior. You would be a Muslim Christian that believes that Allah is the one true god while the god of the Bible is also the one true god because guess what, you cannot prove the idea to be false! Can you show that the Egyptian or Greek or Mayan or Aztec and on and on gods are false?

Therefore, to do what you suggest is, not ok.

Why can't your god concept (all god concepts if we are being honest) be shown to be anything more than human imagination do you think?
We have thousands of imagined gods. If there was one god that was true, would he not be known to us if he desired it?

[SallyF]

...Not a soul has begun to demonstrate that the biblical "God" is anything more than imaginary....

If you want that all people believe your claim, you should prove it. It doesnt work so that you expect others to prove you wrong. Or what do you think, if I say: If no one can prove Bible God doesnt exist, then it means Bible God exists, is that ok, would you accept it?

And nor did you even begin to demonstrate that the biblical god Yahweh is anything more than imaginary.

No a soul ever does.

Which leads me to EXPECT that we are just playing a game of Pretend with make-believe.

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Why can't your god concept (all god concepts if we are being honest) be shown to be anything more than human imagination do you think?

Can anything be show to be anything more than human imagination?

We have thousands of imagined gods. If there was one god that was true, would he not be known to us if he desired it?

I think Bible God is known to us. Or do you not know Bible God? Would you want to know?

[Clownboat]

Why can't your god concept (all god concepts if we are being honest) be shown to be anything more than human imagination do you think?

Can anything be show to be anything more than human imagination?

Yes. A swift kick to the hind quarters for one.
Now that I answered your question, care to do me the favor and respond to the question about why can't any of the available god concepts be shown to be more than human imagination? I'm not picking on your god concept either. I'm open to any god concept being shown to be more than human imagination.

We have thousands of imagined gods. If there was one god that was true, would he not be known to us if he desired it?

I think Bible God is known to us.

No more than any other proposed god concept. God concepts that came about via human imagination I would add (and assume you agree with).

Or do you not know Bible God?

I know about the Bible god concept. For a couple decades of my life, I convinced myself that I had a relationship with it. I have even read the religious promotional material written about it from cover to cover and went to a building at least 5 days a week to learn about it. I also attended a Private Christian school K - 12.

Would you want to know?

I do know about it.


Your response does not suggest that you have a god that intervenes in your debating.
To dangle such a god concept in front of me comes across as far to human of a thing to do anyways. The gods would do better I would think and I don't see why humans would be involved in getting to know said gods.

[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

The above image is thought to be an ancient depiction of the mythological Middle East god Jehovah/Yahweh.


The below image - from our very good friends in the Watchtower - is a very modern depiction of the mythological Middle East god Jehovah/Yahweh.




Gods Kingdom is a real government established by Jehovah God. The kingdom of God is also called the kingdom of heaven in the Bible, since it rules from heaven. (Mark 1:14, 15; Matthew 4:17, King James Version) It shares many attributes of human governments, yet it is superior to them in every way. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-kingdom/


This god is the very foundation of Christianity.


For 3,000 years or so, not a soul has demonstrated that it is anything more than imaginary ...

To the best of my knowledge ...

BUT my door is WIDE open.

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Can anything be show to be anything more than human imagination?

Yes. A swift kick to the hind quarters for one. ...

It could still be only human imagination.

Now that I answered your question, care to do me the favor and respond to the question about why can't any of the available god concepts be shown to be more than human imagination? ...

Anything can be called just human imagination. That is why I cant show anything to be more than human imagination. Even if God would be right in front of view, you could call Him just human imagination.

I believe Bible God is real, because Bible has information that I dont think people could have, without God. Also, that people cant show any contradiction in the Bible, despite claiming so, tells to me it is not human imagination. But unfortunately, it is not enough for all. Luckily, I dont think it is absolutely necessary to know God is real.

I do know about it.
...

Then why did you say If there was one god that was true, would he not be known to us if he desired it?, if you know Him?