You can't prove God doesn't exist... more on the subject

[Willum]

"You can't prove God doesn't exist." is a frequent claim of theists.

It is not correct, we can and do prove things don't exist all the time, the standard is an academic one, not a de facto one, but that is not the topic.

The topic is to have the statement contested practically.

Is there anything you can do or say that invokes any relevance by god? Is there anything that can be done that has an God-related effect?
God doesn't stop murders, even genocides.
Nothing one has ever done have been observed to cause God to react, or respond in any way.

If he is perfectly irrelevant, then, he is perfectly irrelevant, yes?
If he does not interfere, he is useless.
A functional equivalent of not existing?

So if this is true, even if he does exist, why should we care?
He does his stuff, we do ours, and never the twain shall meet.

[Zzyzx]

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[Replying to post 14 by Zzyzx]

Zzyzx; Where in the Bible is to be found law that prescribes what killing is unlawful

Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

..among many others, what is your point, and how does it justify your ,over the top, interrogation of 1213's inoffensive submission?

I did not ask for examples. There are many instances where the Bible justifies killing (including women and children). I asked for the LAW regarding when killing is legal (or illegal). The LAW, not an example.

I think you will find that there is no such law in the Bible. Thus, to cite biblical law is a failed apologetic.

[1213]

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If the law allows wholesale killing of Jews (as in Germany 1940s), it is not murder. Correct?

According to that law. Obviously I think that law was not good and righteous.

[1213]

…Nothing has been observed. Read as many history books as you want and you will find no mention of someone observing the actions of God. ...

Bible is also history book and it tells how God has spoken to people, which I think is more meaningful than lightning.

[Zzyzx]

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…Nothing has been observed. Read as many history books as you want and you will find no mention of someone observing the actions of God. ...

Bible is also history book and it tells how God has spoken to people, which I think is more meaningful than lightning.

Many people claim that 'God' speaks to them in dreams, in 'visions', in their heads, or from a cloud or in a book.

Which, if any, are telling the truth and which are delusional? How can we know which are which?

[SallyF]

…Nothing has been observed. Read as many history books as you want and you will find no mention of someone observing the actions of God. ...

Bible is also history book and it tells how God has spoken to people, which I think is more meaningful than lightning.

We have successfully demonstrated in other threads that biblical stories are NEVER shown to be anything other than people just makin' stuff up. This is not "history".

We have demonstrated in other threads that the biblical writings qualify as fantasy fiction, and historical fiction.

We have demonstrated in other threads that no version of "God" is ever shown to have had any input into a single verse of biblical "scripture".

The ONLY place we can successfully demonstrate that ANY version of "God" speaks to people is inside their own heads.

Personally, I call this "make-believe".

[Willum]

[Replying to post 25 by SallyF]

Yeah, Mark Twan said, “it is easier to fool someone, then it is to convince them that they’ve been fooled.“ Just imagine all your life you’ve been fooled into believing there was a God. It would be nigh impossible to convince you you’d been fooled.

[Zzyzx]

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Yeah, Mark Twan said, “it is easier to fool someone, then it is to convince them that they’ve been fooled.“ Just imagine all your life you’ve been fooled into believing there was a God. It would be nigh impossible to convince you you’d been fooled.

Actually, many who once were fooled / indoctrinated as children to believe in a sky daddy have grown beyond the belief (convinced they were fooled).

The Forum's "Former Christian" user-group has 264 members; half as many as the Christian group. Many strong Non-Christian debaters here identify as Ex-Christian (some after many decades in the faith).

There is a lot to be appreciated in reasoning and critical / analytical thinking. Is there anything to be said in favor of supernatural beliefs other than 'Makes me feel good / superior" and wishful thinking about a reward "after you die"?

[1213]

...Which, if any, are telling the truth and which are delusional? How can we know which are which?

I think it can be know by what they say. So, do you have some example?

[brunumb]

...Which, if any, are telling the truth and which are delusional? How can we know which are which?

I think it can be know by what they say.

That's very vague. Could you please demonstrate how that works.

[Zzyzx]

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...Which, if any, are telling the truth and which are delusional? How can we know which are which?

I think it can be know by what they say.

Can humans tell when someone is being truthful and when they are not judging by what the person says?

So, do you have some example?

Your posts are examples. How can readers determine if you are delusional or not?

Another prime example is the tale of Paul/Saul's 'conversion' experience complete with 'vision', light, voices, blindness, trips to heaven, etc -- as reported by whoever wrote Acts. How can anyone tell whether or not Paul/Saul was delusional -- or the writer of Acts was delusional (or deceptive)?