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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
Yes, I would say so.Checkpoint wrote:What is it to reign, do you think?onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 659 by Checkpoint]
Jesus reigns over his congregation now, as I have said many times before, guiding them in the preaching work to give the nations a witness. Soon he will come in bold Kingdom power, to eradicate the wicked people.
Isn't it to rule over, to have authority and power over, so that they are not only subjects but also subject to you?
Well and good.onewithhim wrote:Yes, I would say so.Checkpoint wrote:What is it to reign, do you think?onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 659 by Checkpoint]
Jesus reigns over his congregation now, as I have said many times before, guiding them in the preaching work to give the nations a witness. Soon he will come in bold Kingdom power, to eradicate the wicked people.
Isn't it to rule over, to have authority and power over, so that they are not only subjects but also subject to you?
Ephesians 1:
20 which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms,
21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come.…
1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.
Which throne are you saying he took in 1914?onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 670 by Checkpoint]
Point well-taken. However, I'm thinking that even though Christ didn't start his rule as King until 1914, he was still higher in position than any other government on Earth or any other people. I imagine that Prince Charles of England is considered a higher authority over the people, even though he is not the king. The same could be said of Jesus before he took the throne in 1914.
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Jehovah is the supreme ruler and sovereign of the universe that can never change but he designates as he sees fit to whom he sees fit, for as long as he sees fit, for the reason he sees fit ... thus the kingdom.
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THE KINGDOM, THE MILLENIUM and ...THE EARTHLY PARSDISE
JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 671 by onewithhim]
Indeed as I think I said earlier, we should not confuse Jesus (The Word/Michel's) authority (whether intrinsic or attributed) to his Kingdom power.
Jesus outranks everyone in the spirit or the physical realm, he certainly out ranks in power and authority any puny human or human institution. He is The WORD, the one that sits at the right hand of God Almighty, it was through him everything created came into existence, no one can be higher than him him in power, authority or position (with the exception of His Father of course).
But this is not to be confused with the (messianic) kingdom. The kingdom is Jesus exercising designated power in a specific way, for a specific period, with a specific goal. It is an entity that is set up by which Jesus will act on behalf of his Father to deal with specific issues. It seems to me that most people cannot see the difference between Jesus authority in general and Jeus being given permisdion to exert rulership on Gods behalf for a specific purpose .
An interesting theory or opinion. Or does it have real substance?Jehovah is the supreme ruler and sovereign of the universe that can never change but he designates as he sees fit to whom he sees fit, for as long as he sees fit, for the reason he sees fit ... thus the kingdom.
JW
If so, what convincing evidence do you have to offer?
Evidence for this:JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 674 by Checkpoint]
Evidence for what exactly? That there is someone called Jesus? Do you view it as merely an interesting theory that he "out ranks everyone in the spirit or the physical realm"? Or that there is something in the bible called "the kingdom" ? What exactly are you asking for evidence about.... I mentioned God are you demanding for evidence that there is a God or that "Jehovah is the supreme ruler and sovereign of the universe"? Is that the part of my post you need evidence for? My post contains 219 word (or group of words which word) are you asking evidence for ?
Please clarify,
JW
But this is not to be confused with the (messianic) kingdom. The kingdom is Jesus exercising designated power in a specific way, for a specific period, with a specific goal. It is an entity that is set up by which Jesus will act on behalf of his Father to deal with specific issues.
It seems to me that most people cannot see the difference between Jesus authority in general and Jeus being given permisdion to exert rulership on Gods behalf for a specific purpose .
Checkpoint wrote:
Evidence for this:But this is not to be confused with the (messianic) kingdom. The kingdom is Jesus exercising designated power in a specific way, for a specific period, with a specific goal. It is an entity that is set up by which Jesus will act on behalf of his Father to deal with specific issues.
It seems to me that most people cannot see the difference between Jesus authority in general and Jeus being given permission to exert rulership on Gods behalf for a specific purpose.
MERGE: the paragraph sited above has been merged below ( blue) with supporting evidence (green)
COLOSSIANS 1:15,16 - NIV
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstbornj over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Jesus was appointed [ESV "assigned"] a kingdom.LUKE 22:29 - KJV
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
LUKE 4: 5-6
So he [the Devil] brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time. Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 - NASB
the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ...
ISAIAH 9: 6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end.
MATTHEW 6:10 NWT
Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.
* It is an entity that is set up ...DANIEL 2:44 - ESV
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up * a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever,
1 CORINTHIANS 15:24, 28 - NWT
"Next, the end, when he [Jesus] hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father[...] then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."
REVELATION 20:6 ESV
Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
