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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
Checkpoint wrote:
Let's start with his ministry, then the ransom and resurrection, then the ascension and seating.
You are so kind!JehovahsWitness wrote:Checkpoint wrote:
Let's start with his ministry, then the ransom and resurrection, then the ascension and seating.
Fine, explain all(5) elements with supporting scriptures and a detailed explanation as to how they relate to the kingdom(similar to what I have done) then I shall question each sentence, phrase and possibly individual word you write and expect further detailed to be provided (with explanations of any "inconsistencies" I think I see - I may ask for 2 or 3 posts until I'm satisfied your explanations harmonize as you have done with me) and we will take it from there.
Please be ready to explain any words keywords (preferraably with supporting Greek) to satisfy me that you are not misapplying terms. I will in the course of my questioning ask for your opinion (read: clear explantion) on any additional scriptures that come to mind.
Over to you!
JW
Up to you, JW.
What do you understand by "set up"?
and by "given permission"?
OK, let's try it and see what happens.JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 680 by Checkpoint]
How about we take things in turns? I think it's fair to say I have written a few substantial posts in response to your questions, merging colour coding and detailing and supporting ...so now, having made significant contribution to the exchange, I'll sit back and assume your role for a bit.
You suggested some interested topics in relation to the kingdom (5 if Im not mistaken). I'm intersted in what you have to say on all five. After you have written and answered my questions on all all five topics I'll be happy to consider resuming answering more of yours.My questions (similar to yours) are ready for when you do post.
I'm sure it's not a case of asking me to do something you are incapable of doing yourself,
JW
Checkpoint wrote:OK, let's try it and see what happens.JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 680 by Checkpoint]
How about we take things in turns? I think it's fair to say I have written a few substantial posts in response to your questions, merging colour coding and detailing and supporting ...so now, having made significant contribution to the exchange, I'll sit back and assume your role for a bit.
You suggested some interested topics in relation to the kingdom (5 if Im not mistaken). I'm intersted in what you have to say on all five. After you have written and answered my questions on all all five topics I'll be happy to consider resuming answering more of yours.My questions (similar to yours) are ready for when you do post.
I'm sure it's not a case of asking me to do something you are incapable of doing yourself,
JW
Please post me your five questions.
Checkpoint wrote:
Let's start with his ministry, then the ransom and resurrection, then the ascension and seating.
JehovahsWitness wrote:Checkpoint wrote:OK, let's try it and see what happens.JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 680 by Checkpoint]
How about we take things in turns? I think it's fair to say I have written a few substantial posts in response to your questions, merging colour coding and detailing and supporting ...so now, having made significant contribution to the exchange, I'll sit back and assume your role for a bit.
You suggested some interested topics in relation to the kingdom (5 if Im not mistaken). I'm intersted in what you have to say on all five. After you have written and answered my questions on all all five topics I'll be happy to consider resuming answering more of yours.My questions (similar to yours) are ready for when you do post.
I'm sure it's not a case of asking me to do something you are incapable of doing yourself,
JW
Please post me your five questions.
Here they are ...
Checkpoint wrote:
Let's start with his ministry, then the ransom and resurrection, then the ascension and seating.
4 WHAT IS THE "MESSIANIC" KINGDOM?
The kingdom is Jesus exercising designated power ...
Quote:
ISAIAH 9: 6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end.
#5 ARE THERE SPECIFIC GOALS THE KINGDOM IS TO ACHIEVE ?
The kingdom is Jesus exercising designated power ...with a specific goal.
...by which Jesus will act on behalf of his Father to deal with specific issues
It ...and Jeus being given permission to exert rulership on Gods behalf for a specific purpose
1. IN HIS MINISTRY
Jesus was then the one God had sent as the one anointed to proclaim the kingdom that had come near.
Acts 10:36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
2. RANSOM AND RESURRECTION
In doing this, he demonstrated his claim to have been given all power and authority.
He thus achieved two things otherwise impossible.
By becoming our ransom, he set us free from the power of death, the devil, and conquered death itself by rising again.
Matthew 28:3. ASCENSION AND SEATING18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.�
1 Peter 3:]]20 when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Ephesians 1:
18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people,
19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength
20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,
21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church,
23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
Enough said(and left unsaid, perhaps) for now.
Your turn!
Checkpoint, I couldn't say it better than what JehovahsWitness said in post #673. Jesus "sits down," as it were, to begin to fulfill a specific purpose for his Father.Checkpoint wrote:Which throne are you saying he took in 1914?onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 670 by Checkpoint]
Point well-taken. However, I'm thinking that even though Christ didn't start his rule as King until 1914, he was still higher in position than any other government on Earth or any other people. I imagine that Prince Charles of England is considered a higher authority over the people, even though he is not the king. The same could be said of Jesus before he took the throne in 1914.
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"The throne" is?
Checkpoint wrote: 1. IN HIS MINISTRY
Jesus was then the one God had sent as the one anointed to proclaim the kingdom that had come near.
Acts 10:36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
2. RANSOM AND RESURRECTION
In doing this, he demonstrated his claim to have been given all power and authority.
He thus achieved two things otherwise impossible.
By becoming our ransom, he set us free from the power of death, the devil, and conquered death itself by rising again.
Matthew 28:3. ASCENSION AND SEATING18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.�
1 Peter 3:Enough said(and left unsaid, perhaps) for now.20 when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Ephesians 1:
18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people,
19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength
20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,
21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church,
23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
Your turn!
"Anointed" is set apart, authorised or appointed by God to serve or represent Him in some wayI'm far from not satisfied with your answer...can you explain more clearly?
"Anointed" is....?
In what sense was "the kingdom that had come near" in the year Jesus spoke the words?
The kingdom had come near in the sense that its king had come near, as that verse illustrates.how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
The ransom he paid in death ensured all who chose could enter the kingdom, and his resurrection was a triumph over the last enemy, death, that ensured our justification to kingdom entry and to eternal kingdom life.How exactly does all that relate to the kingdom and what about Genesis 3:15 and Colossians 1:13
I quoted them without comment, in the hope any reader will get their message.ASCENSION AND SEATING
You didn't post a single word to explain the scriptures you sited. Why did you quote them, what do those scriptures mean and how do they relate specifically to the kingdom?
"Near" meaning...?Checkpoint wrote:The kingdom had come near in the sense that its king had come near, as that verse illustrates.
Was the kingdom possible without the ransom, why? why not? Did the kingdom exist before the ransom?How exactly does all that relate to the kingdom and what about Genesis 3:15 and Colossians 1:13
