Why does God need help?

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Why does God need help?

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It's an old question, but let's revisit it:
Why does God apparently need help?

He created the whole of everything, but can't build his own church building? Can't pay the light bill?
Write his own book?
Needs people to go out and spread his name?
Needs doctors to save the lives of his people?

Throughout history, many things that were considered 'of God' have been replaced with knowledge of ourselves and environment.

But some claim that God needs nothing (though it can be argued he needs worship), and yet, it's the doctors that tend to save more lives and God; it's the engineers that build the churches; it's the family what protects the children.

Where is God? Why doesn't he have a much more active, apparent role in these things?
Or are we gradually replacing God in everyday life, leaving him only for the mystical?

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Re: Why does God need help?

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1213 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:59 am
Menotu wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:48 pm ...
Everyone dies?
True
I guess that's yet another excuse for God
Sorry that I didn’t answer earlier. In Biblical point of view everyone’s body can die, but soul can live after that and God can give a new body. And for those who are righteous, there is eternal life offered as a gift. Humans can’t give that.
I would argue the only 'proof' that anyone can give that is a book of stories written by men. If people want to follow that and live their lives accordingly, that's fine, of course. Parading it around as end-all-be-all fact is not (not saying you're doing this, but generalizing).
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Re: Why does God need help?

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Menotu wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:46 am It's an old question, but let's revisit it:
Why does God apparently need help?....
I don’t think there is any Biblical reason to think so, because:

The God who made the world and all things in it, he, beingLord of heaven and earth, doesn't dwell in temples made with hands,neither is he served by men's hands, as though he needed anything,seeing he himself gives to all life and breath, and all things.
Acts 17:24-25
Menotu wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:46 am…Throughout history, many things that were considered 'of God' have been replaced with knowledge of ourselves and environment...
And actually, all of them can still be of God. That we know something of how things work, doesn’t really tell who or what actually caused it.
Menotu wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:46 am…But some claim that God needs nothing (though it can be argued he needs worship), and yet, it's the doctors that tend to save more lives and God; it's the engineers that build the churches; it's the family what protects the children….
Doctors don’t save lives, because all people (body) die anyway.
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Re: Why does God need help?

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[Replying to 1213 in post #23]
I don’t think there is any Biblical reason to think so, because:

The God who made the world and all things in it, he, beingLord of heaven and earth, doesn't dwell in temples made with hands,neither is he served by men's hands, as though he needed anything,seeing he himself gives to all life and breath, and all things.
So would it seem that he doesn't need anyone to convert followers, build churches, pay their light bills, support his followers financially, etc? It seems people are asked to do so much that God should be able to do. Does that mean he's not willing? And if so, why not?
And actually, all of them can still be of God.
Surely. Does that mean we simply don't understand God then? Why would someone hundreds of years ago say 'headaches are demons and need to be cast out by God' when they are, in essence, cast out by medicine? Is medicine 'of God'? If so, can't anything be considered 'of God'? If so, does that diminish God and his abilities?
Doctors don’t save lives, because all people (body) die anyway.
Doctors have saved people from death at times. Saying 'every one dies so doctors don't save lives' seems, to me, specious reasoning at least, excuses at best.
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