This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.
Notice…
Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
And here….
Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
And here….
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.
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Re: God created all things by Jesus Christ
Post #51Jesus is Lord , but not over the Father. Paul does not say the Father calls Jesus HIS Lord, he is simply quoting scriptures that support his argument that God made Jesus superior to any angel. Jesus applies Psalm 102 to Jesus not to say he is equal to God (or that they are the same individual) but to show that Jesus is the chief agent or instrument used in creatjng everything (compare Hebrews 1:2; Col 1:15-17 and Prov 8:23-31)
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Re: God created all things by Jesus Christ
Post #52Jesus is divine as addressed as the Creator of all things, no one, on reading the Psalm, ever would doubt that it referred to God, and if the apostle meant to apply it to the Lord Jesus it proves most conclusively that He is divine.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:10 amJesus is Lord , but not over the Father. Paul does not say the Father calls Jesus HIS Lord, he is simply quoting scriptures that support his argument that God made Jesus superior to any angel. Jesus applies Psalm 102 to Jesus not to say he is equal to God (or that they are the same individual) but to show that Jesus is the chief agent or instrument used in creatjng everything (compare Hebrews 1:2; Col 1:15-17 and Prov 8:23-31)
An address here to Yahweh would be wholly irrelevant. Why, in an argument designed to prove that the Son of God was superior to the angels, should the writer break out in an address to Yahweh in view of the fact that he had laid the foundations of the world, and that he himself would continue to live when the heavens should be rolled up and pass away? Such is not the manner of Paul or of any other good writer, and it is clear that the writer here designed to adduce this as applicable to the Messiah. Whatever difficulties there may be about the principles on which it is done, and the reason why This passage was selected for the purpose, there can be no doubt about the design of the writer. He meant to be understood as applying it to the Messiah beyond all question, or the quotation is wholly irrelevant, and it is inconceivable why it should have been made. “Thou Lord.” This is taken from Psa 102:25-27. The quotation is made from the Septuagint with only a slight variation, and is an accurate translation of the Hebrew. In the Psalm, there can be no doubt that Yahweh is intended. This is apparent on the face of the Psalm, and particularly because the “name” Yahweh is introduced in Heb 1:10, and because He is addressed as the Creator of all things, and as immutable. No one, on reading the Psalm, ever would doubt that it referred to God, and if the apostle meant to apply it to the Lord Jesus it proves most conclusively that he is divine. Barne's
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Post #53The primary meaning of "divine" is god-like. Jesus is indeed like God the Father but he is not equal to him. Jesus is never called "the Creator of all things"Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:15 amJesus is divine as addressed as the Creator of all things ...JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:10 am Jesus is Lord , but not over the Father. Paul does not say the Father calls Jesus HIS Lord, he is simply quoting scriptures that support his argument that God made Jesus superior to any angel. Jesus applies Psalm 102 to Jesus not to say he is equal to God (or that they are the same individual) but to show that Jesus is the chief agent or instrument used in creatjng everything (compare Hebrews 1:2; Col 1:15-17 and Prov 8:23-31)
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Post #54The Word of God said so.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:43 amThe primary meaning of "divine" is god-like. Jesus is indeed like God the Father but he is not equal to him. Jesus is never called "the Creator of all things"Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:15 amJesus is divine as addressed as the Creator of all things ...JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:10 am Jesus is Lord , but not over the Father. Paul does not say the Father calls Jesus HIS Lord, he is simply quoting scriptures that support his argument that God made Jesus superior to any angel. Jesus applies Psalm 102 to Jesus not to say he is equal to God (or that they are the same individual) but to show that Jesus is the chief agent or instrument used in creatjng everything (compare Hebrews 1:2; Col 1:15-17 and Prov 8:23-31)
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
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Post #55Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:11 amThe Word of God said so.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.
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Re: God created all things by Jesus Christ
Post #56If you create something, are you the creator or the creation?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:44 amCapbook wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:11 amThe Word of God said so.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.
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Post #57The Creator is always Jehovah. Jesus created by using the power and instruction from Jehovah. Jehovah is the Creator because He has all power and delegates some to Jesus.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:11 amIf you create something, are you the creator or the creation?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:44 amCapbook wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:11 amThe Word of God said so.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.
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Post #58Yes, Jesus Christ came to the earth as a human being born of water as every other human. Jesus did not have the powers associated with God when He became a human on the earth! Lightning did not strike me when I realized this fact. Yes, Jesus was the Son of God and Mary at the same time. However, He had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are! Therefore, He did not have power of His own to heal people, raise people from the dead, and perform other miracles. How do we know this? Because Jesus prayed! If He was a God during His thirty-three years on the earth, He could have performed such feats directly with His own godly powers.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:18 pmThe Creator is always Jehovah. Jesus created by using the power and instruction from Jehovah. Jehovah is the Creator because He has all power and delegates some to Jesus.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:11 amIf you create something, are you the creator or the creation?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:44 amCapbook wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:11 amThe Word of God said so.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.
Since this was not the case, He had to pray to God His Father to perform acts beyond His human capabilities.
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Post #59But the verse doesnt say he created it says "by him" (through him) .
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Post #60Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. All the power to perform acts came from the Father.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:31 amYes, Jesus Christ came to the earth as a human being born of water as every other human. Jesus did not have the powers associated with God when He became a human on the earth! Lightning did not strike me when I realized this fact. Yes, Jesus was the Son of God and Mary at the same time. However, He had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are! Therefore, He did not have power of His own to heal people, raise people from the dead, and perform other miracles. How do we know this? Because Jesus prayed! If He was a God during His thirty-three years on the earth, He could have performed such feats directly with His own godly powers.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:18 pmThe Creator is always Jehovah. Jesus created by using the power and instruction from Jehovah. Jehovah is the Creator because He has all power and delegates some to Jesus.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:11 amIf you create something, are you the creator or the creation?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:44 amCapbook wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:11 amThe Word of God said so.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.
Since this was not the case, He had to pray to God His Father to perform acts beyond His human capabilities.