God created all things by Jesus Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

Peace and God bless

[onewithhim]

Clark understand these verses, Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16-17
Creation is the proper work of an infinite, unlimited, aud unoriginated Being; possessed of all perfections in their highest degrees; capable of knowing, willing, and working infinitely, unlimitedly, and without control: and as creation signifies the production of being where all was absolute nonentity, so it necessarily implies that the Creator acted of and from himself; for as, previously to this creation, there was no being, consequently he could not be actuated by any motive, reason, or impulse, without himself; which would argue there was some being to produce the motive or impulse, or to give the reason. Creation, therefore, is the work of him who is unoriginated, infinite, unlimited, and eternal. But Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things, therefore Jesus Christ must be, according to the plain construction of the apostle's words, truly and properly GOD. (Clarke's)

The birth of Jesus Christ can be well documented to have occurred about 2024 years ago.

If all things were created by Jesus, and Jesus was created 2024 years ago, then the earth could not be more than 2024 years of age.

How does Clarke explain that?

And according to the God inspired scriptures, The Word created everything -- not Jesus Christ:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

Clarke needs to pray for God to open the scriptures to his understanding, believing God would do so, then read them again.

Also, Jesus was not God. Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How could Clarke have missed this verse?

Jesus was not created 2024 years ago. The preponderance of the evidence in the Scriptures shows that he was in heaven with his Father for an unknown period of time before he came to the earth. You cast all that aside to hang your argument on one verse that says the Jesus was a man? Of course he was a man when he came to earth---a full, perfect man. Haven't you seen how, in Luke, the Holy Spirit transferred Jesus' life into Mary's womb? He said many times that he came from above.

"No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13)

"So he went on to say to them: 'You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.'" (John 8:23)

"So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

[myth-one.com]

Clark understand these verses, Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16-17
Creation is the proper work of an infinite, unlimited, aud unoriginated Being; possessed of all perfections in their highest degrees; capable of knowing, willing, and working infinitely, unlimitedly, and without control: and as creation signifies the production of being where all was absolute nonentity, so it necessarily implies that the Creator acted of and from himself; for as, previously to this creation, there was no being, consequently he could not be actuated by any motive, reason, or impulse, without himself; which would argue there was some being to produce the motive or impulse, or to give the reason. Creation, therefore, is the work of him who is unoriginated, infinite, unlimited, and eternal. But Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things, therefore Jesus Christ must be, according to the plain construction of the apostle's words, truly and properly GOD. (Clarke's)

The birth of Jesus Christ can be well documented to have occurred about 2024 years ago.

If all things were created by Jesus, and Jesus was created 2024 years ago, then the earth could not be more than 2024 years of age.

How does Clarke explain that?

And according to the God inspired scriptures, The Word created everything -- not Jesus Christ:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

Clarke needs to pray for God to open the scriptures to his understanding, believing God would do so, then read them again.

Also, Jesus was not God. Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How could Clarke have missed this verse?

Jesus was not created 2024 years ago. The preponderance of the evidence in the Scriptures shows that he was in heaven with his Father for an unknown period of time before he came to the earth. You cast all that aside to hang your argument on one verse that says the Jesus was a man? Of course he was a man when he came to earth---a full, perfect man. Haven't you seen how, in Luke, the Holy Spirit transferred Jesus' life into Mary's womb? He said many times that he came from above.

"No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13)

Correctly interpreted, "No man" would be "No one."

Jesus was a flesh and blood man. And flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So, Jesus did not enter Heaven as a man.

"So he went on to say to them: 'You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.'" (John 8:23)

"So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

There are two type of bodies -- natural and spiritual.

Upon completing His mission as a natural man, Jesus could not enter the Kingdom of God as a man, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. He had to reenter the spiritual world as a spiritual body from which He was temporally made:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

[onewithhim]

Clark understand these verses, Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16-17
Creation is the proper work of an infinite, unlimited, aud unoriginated Being; possessed of all perfections in their highest degrees; capable of knowing, willing, and working infinitely, unlimitedly, and without control: and as creation signifies the production of being where all was absolute nonentity, so it necessarily implies that the Creator acted of and from himself; for as, previously to this creation, there was no being, consequently he could not be actuated by any motive, reason, or impulse, without himself; which would argue there was some being to produce the motive or impulse, or to give the reason. Creation, therefore, is the work of him who is unoriginated, infinite, unlimited, and eternal. But Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things, therefore Jesus Christ must be, according to the plain construction of the apostle's words, truly and properly GOD. (Clarke's)

The birth of Jesus Christ can be well documented to have occurred about 2024 years ago.

If all things were created by Jesus, and Jesus was created 2024 years ago, then the earth could not be more than 2024 years of age.

How does Clarke explain that?

And according to the God inspired scriptures, The Word created everything -- not Jesus Christ:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

Clarke needs to pray for God to open the scriptures to his understanding, believing God would do so, then read them again.

Also, Jesus was not God. Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How could Clarke have missed this verse?

Jesus was not created 2024 years ago. The preponderance of the evidence in the Scriptures shows that he was in heaven with his Father for an unknown period of time before he came to the earth. You cast all that aside to hang your argument on one verse that says the Jesus was a man? Of course he was a man when he came to earth---a full, perfect man. Haven't you seen how, in Luke, the Holy Spirit transferred Jesus' life into Mary's womb? He said many times that he came from above.

"No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13)

Correctly interpreted, "No man" would be "No one."

Jesus was a flesh and blood man. And flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So, Jesus did not enter Heaven as a man.

"So he went on to say to them: 'You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.'" (John 8:23)

"So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

There are two type of bodies -- natural and spiritual.

Upon completing His mission as a natural man, Jesus could not enter the Kingdom of God as a man, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. He had to reenter the spiritual world as a spiritual body

No one has said that Jesus entered heaven as a flesh and blood man. It has been my contention all along that Jesus returned to his spiritual body upon his resurrection. It is now his permanent type of body, just as God is a spirit. (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18; I Corinthians 15:45)

[myth-one.com]

Clark understand these verses, Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16-17
Creation is the proper work of an infinite, unlimited, aud unoriginated Being; possessed of all perfections in their highest degrees; capable of knowing, willing, and working infinitely, unlimitedly, and without control: and as creation signifies the production of being where all was absolute nonentity, so it necessarily implies that the Creator acted of and from himself; for as, previously to this creation, there was no being, consequently he could not be actuated by any motive, reason, or impulse, without himself; which would argue there was some being to produce the motive or impulse, or to give the reason. Creation, therefore, is the work of him who is unoriginated, infinite, unlimited, and eternal. But Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things, therefore Jesus Christ must be, according to the plain construction of the apostle's words, truly and properly GOD. (Clarke's)

The birth of Jesus Christ can be well documented to have occurred about 2024 years ago.

If all things were created by Jesus, and Jesus was created 2024 years ago, then the earth could not be more than 2024 years of age.

How does Clarke explain that?

And according to the God inspired scriptures, The Word created everything -- not Jesus Christ:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

Clarke needs to pray for God to open the scriptures to his understanding, believing God would do so, then read them again.

Also, Jesus was not God. Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How could Clarke have missed this verse?

Jesus was not created 2024 years ago. The preponderance of the evidence in the Scriptures shows that he was in heaven with his Father for an unknown period of time before he came to the earth. You cast all that aside to hang your argument on one verse that says the Jesus was a man? Of course he was a man when he came to earth---a full, perfect man. Haven't you seen how, in Luke, the Holy Spirit transferred Jesus' life into Mary's womb? He said many times that he came from above.

"No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13)

Correctly interpreted, "No man" would be "No one."

Jesus was a flesh and blood man. And flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So, Jesus did not enter Heaven as a man.

"So he went on to say to them: 'You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.'" (John 8:23)

"So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

There are two type of bodies -- natural and spiritual.

Upon completing His mission as a natural man, Jesus could not enter the Kingdom of God as a man, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. He had to reenter the spiritual world as a spiritual body

No one has said that Jesus entered heaven as a flesh and blood man. It has been my contention all along that Jesus returned to his spiritual body upon his resurrection. It is now his permanent type of body, just as God is a spirit. (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18; I Corinthians 15:45)

Jesus was the "word made flesh."

That is, Jesus was a man, which is confirmed in the scriptures.

The Word is God, and God is a Spirit.

The Word is not Jesus. Jesus is the Word made flesh.

The Word has an immortal spiritual body, while Jesus had a natural physical body.

That is where you are confused.

Do you believe that the Word and Jesus are both in Heaven as spirits now?

[onewithhim]

Clark understand these verses, Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things.

Colossians 1:16-17
Creation is the proper work of an infinite, unlimited, aud unoriginated Being; possessed of all perfections in their highest degrees; capable of knowing, willing, and working infinitely, unlimitedly, and without control: and as creation signifies the production of being where all was absolute nonentity, so it necessarily implies that the Creator acted of and from himself; for as, previously to this creation, there was no being, consequently he could not be actuated by any motive, reason, or impulse, without himself; which would argue there was some being to produce the motive or impulse, or to give the reason. Creation, therefore, is the work of him who is unoriginated, infinite, unlimited, and eternal. But Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things, therefore Jesus Christ must be, according to the plain construction of the apostle's words, truly and properly GOD. (Clarke's)

The birth of Jesus Christ can be well documented to have occurred about 2024 years ago.

If all things were created by Jesus, and Jesus was created 2024 years ago, then the earth could not be more than 2024 years of age.

How does Clarke explain that?

And according to the God inspired scriptures, The Word created everything -- not Jesus Christ:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

Clarke needs to pray for God to open the scriptures to his understanding, believing God would do so, then read them again.

Also, Jesus was not God. Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How could Clarke have missed this verse?

Jesus was not created 2024 years ago. The preponderance of the evidence in the Scriptures shows that he was in heaven with his Father for an unknown period of time before he came to the earth. You cast all that aside to hang your argument on one verse that says the Jesus was a man? Of course he was a man when he came to earth---a full, perfect man. Haven't you seen how, in Luke, the Holy Spirit transferred Jesus' life into Mary's womb? He said many times that he came from above.

"No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13)

Correctly interpreted, "No man" would be "No one."

Jesus was a flesh and blood man. And flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So, Jesus did not enter Heaven as a man.

"So he went on to say to them: 'You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.'" (John 8:23)

"So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

There are two type of bodies -- natural and spiritual.

Upon completing His mission as a natural man, Jesus could not enter the Kingdom of God as a man, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. He had to reenter the spiritual world as a spiritual body

No one has said that Jesus entered heaven as a flesh and blood man. It has been my contention all along that Jesus returned to his spiritual body upon his resurrection. It is now his permanent type of body, just as God is a spirit. (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18; I Corinthians 15:45)

Jesus was the "word made flesh."

That is, Jesus was a man, which is confirmed in the scriptures.

The Word is God, and God is a Spirit.

The Word is not Jesus. Jesus is the Word made flesh.

The Word has an immortal spiritual body, while Jesus had a natural physical body.

That is where you are confused.

Do you believe that the Word and Jesus are both in Heaven as spirits now?

The Word is not God. The Word is God's SON and he became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus died and was then resurrected with a spirit body (I Peter 3:18; I Corinthians 15:45). I am not confused. I hope you will come out of your confusion. It seems like you don't really read most of the posts here on this thread.

Jesus is the Word, and he is in heaven as a spirit now. (I Timothy 6:16)

[myth-one.com]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

[Capbook]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

1. And who the Word is? (Phil 2:6) Jesus in the form of God.
2. Who is the same in the beginning with God?(John 17:5) Jesus same glory with Father before the world began.
3. Who the creator of all things? (Col 1:15,16) Refers to Jesus.

[Difflugia]

"It is now in your hands" is also an acceptable translation. God gives Jesus the power and places creation in his hands. Everything is created through him.

Are you arguing that your favorite reading is in some way possible or that it's a preferred reading or even the only reading? I've never argued that the words, like here, can't be squinted at hard enough to see the meaning that you want to. Being in Jesus' hands, though, reasonably means much more than you want it to. Reading "in his hands" the way Herodotus used "in your hands" means that it's Jesus' power, Jesus' volition, and Jesus' action. If creation was "in his hands," then the Father created "through" Jesus in the same way that I make dinner "through" the chef when I go to a restaurant to eat.

[onewithhim]

The Word is not God.

The scriptures (as inspired by God) say otherwise:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)


Once again, I'll have to side with God.

What is your evidence that the Word is not God?

Who led you to believe that?

I figured it out myself. I have come to many conclusions on my own and the JWs were merely in agreement with what I had already concluded.
I have seen that the Greek language's translation is different than English translation. John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God Almighty. It says that he is a god. That means that he is one of many powerful beings that are honored, such as judges, kings, army officers, etc. Benjamin Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott translates the end of that verse as "a god." Moffatt's Translation translates it as "the Word was divine." Not God. ("Divine" means 'of, from or like God or a god.'")

[Difflugia]

I figured it out myself. I have come to many conclusions on my own and the JWs were merely in agreement with what I had already concluded.
I have seen that the Greek language's translation is different than English translation. John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God Almighty. It says that he is a god. That means that he is one of many powerful beings that are honored, such as judges, kings, army officers, etc. Benjamin Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott translates the end of that verse as "a god." Moffatt's Translation translates it as "the Word was divine." Not God. ("Divine" means 'of, from or like God or a god.'")

You've made a few posts recently trying to make the point that "divine" is somehow different than God in a way that doesn't overlap. Divine is the adjective form of god, so is hardly exclusive of God. Divine only means "like a god" in a metaphorical sense because something that's literally divine is literally of the realm of the gods. In a monotheism, that seriously limits the number of gods. You can try to claim that "divine" or "a god" in John 1:1 is metaphorical, but nothing else in that verse or those immediately following seems metaphorical. Unless we're talking about a polytheistic pantheon like we find on Olympus, your options are a lot more limited, even if you want to claim "divine" or "a god."