SABBATH...

[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

[onewithhim]

The Scripture says that a person must obey every part of the Mosaic Law. That is impossible, even for Moses' day.

Yes, that was the "fault" in the original covenant.

But finally, one person did gain an inheritance of everlasting life. That person was Jesus Christ.

Under the New Testament Covenant, Jesus offers His inheritance of everlasting life to those who believe in Him as their Savior.

So that sin (disobeying the commands or laws of God) no longer affects our salvation under the new Covenant.

All one must do is believe in Jesus as their Savior.

And DO what Jesus tells us to do.

"He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36, American Standard Version, the Moffatt Translation, the Living Bible, the Revised Standard Bible, the New American Bible, the 21st Century New Testament, the Interlinear Bible/ Hendrickson, the Revised English Bible, the Bible in living English...to name a few.)

This indicates that action is required, in addition to believing.

[myth-one.com]

The Scripture says that a person must obey every part of the Mosaic Law. That is impossible, even for Moses' day.

Yes, that was the "fault" in the original covenant.

But finally, one person did gain an inheritance of everlasting life. That person was Jesus Christ.

Under the New Testament Covenant, Jesus offers His inheritance of everlasting life to those who believe in Him as their Savior.

So that sin (disobeying the commands or laws of God) no longer affects our salvation under the new Covenant.

All one must do is believe in Jesus as their Savior.

And DO what Jesus tells us to do.

"He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36, American Standard Version, the Moffatt Translation, the Living Bible, the Revised Standard Bible, the New American Bible, the 21st Century New Testament, the Interlinear Bible/ Hendrickson, the Revised English Bible, the Bible in living English...to name a few.)

This indicates that action is required, in addition to believing.

"He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life;"


The one action required is to believe on the Son!!

[Capbook]

Is it not logical matter and obvious that if no sin, no reason for sin offerings?

Two Questions

1. Was Jesus without sin?
2. Did he observe all the Jewish festivals including those that involved the offering of sin sacrifices?

Yes, I think Jesus was without sin. And i believe he was also on those festivals.

Would it not be true to say that even though without sin, Jesus as a Jewish male subjected himself to the law because it was still in operation and he was an Israelite contracted to do so by nation of his heritage. If the sinless man kept the law (all the laws without exception) even though certain features of them existed for a need he did not have (forgiveness of sin) why do you think that sinful human Israelites in the same circumstances would be free from doing the same?

If the sins are forgiven, by the right Jesus gives to his disciples, there is no need for sin offering.

If the Mosaic law was still in operation, and (for whatever reason) an Israelite found themselves without sin*, they would STILL be obligated to follow the footsteps of Jesus and do exactly as he did ie keep all the laws in the Mosaic law covenant whether he needed to or not.

Sorry, I don't think the law requires sin offering, if there is no sin.

Christ did, so without abolishment of said law

Do not think that I came to annul the Law
Matt. 5:17-19

* IMPORTANT NOTE Nobody conceived from a human father can be, even for one second "without sin" (see Romans 5:12). We all exist in a sinful (imperfect, less that what God intended) condition. Even if we did nothing but sit in a chair and think no thoughts, we would still need forgiveness for existing in that condition. When the bible says we are forgiven sins or "washed" of our sins, it means God kindly accepts to OVERLOOK /pardon/ cover over the sin. It does not mean the sin does not exist or that we become, like Jesus perfect men and women. The ransom means we are freed from punishment for the sins we constantly commit every day in thought, word and deed.

Even in that case it would mean there would be no need for sin offering, if God has forgiven the sin and overlooks it.

God overlooks sin because Jesus died to cover our sin, if not deliberate. He covers the sin we inherited from Adam, as JehovahsWitness has brought out. We cannot get out from under Adam's sin because we are all born from him, who became imperfect after he sinned. Therefore no man is perfect and without sin. God overlooks sin because, imperatively, we accept Jesus' sacrifice.

No, Christianity is not based on a human sacrifice. That's a pagan concept.

Under the New Testament Covenant, sin has absolutely nothing to do with salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Sin has no dominion over us because salvation is now a gift of God through Jesus:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

This gift that believers will receive is the eternal life which Jesus is due for remaining free of sin under the Old Testament Covenant.

He offers that as a gift to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Being free of any sin is not mentioned as a requirement.

I believe this people that Jesus had said, "I never knew you" were also believers but were sinful, doing iniquities.
And those who shall enter the kingdom of heaven are those who do the will of the Father.
And I believe that the will of the Father as Christian is for us to do good works. (Eph 2:10)

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #233]

We, people of God will do good works (Sabbath-keeping) included not to be save, but by being saved by God's grace through our faith. (Eph 2:8-10)

Heb 4:9-10
9 So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.
10 For the man who comes into his rest has had rest from his works, as God did from his.
(Bible in Basic English)

Heb 4:4
For in one place he has said of the seventh day, And God had rest from all his works on the seventh day;
(Bible in Basic English)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #233]

We, people of God will do good works (Sabbath-keeping) included not to be save, but by being saved by God's grace through our faith. (Eph 2:8-10)

Heb 4:9-10
9 So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.
10 For the man who comes into his rest has had rest from his works, as God did from his.
(Bible in Basic English)

Heb 4:4
For in one place he has said of the seventh day, And God had rest from all his works on the seventh day;
(Bible in Basic English)

There is a lapse in understanding of God's rest. His rest day is 1,000 years long and Jesus' followers today are in that rest. (The works of creation were thousands of years long, not 24 hour days.) His rest day does not refer to the Sabbath Day of Moses. It is much deeper than that.

[myth-one.com]

There is a lapse in understanding of God's rest. His rest day is 1,000 years long and Jesus' followers today are in that rest. (The works of creation were thousands of years long, not 24 hour days.) His rest day does not refer to the Sabbath Day of Moses. It is much deeper than that.

There will be six 1,000 year periods of 'work' followed by the 1,000 year period of rest which is the Millennium.

The period of rest will begin at the time of the Second Coming of Christ.

And the Second Coming has not yet occurred, so we are not in that rest yet!

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #233]

We, people of God will do good works (Sabbath-keeping) included not to be save, but by being saved by God's grace through our faith. (Eph 2:8-10)

Heb 4:9-10
9 So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.
10 For the man who comes into his rest has had rest from his works, as God did from his.
(Bible in Basic English)

Heb 4:4
For in one place he has said of the seventh day, And God had rest from all his works on the seventh day;
(Bible in Basic English)

There is a lapse in understanding of God's rest. His rest day is 1,000 years long and Jesus' followers today are in that rest. (The works of creation were thousands of years long, not 24 hour days.) His rest day does not refer to the Sabbath Day of Moses. It is much deeper than that.

If your interpretation of the creation week as many thousands of years, that makes your god not all knowing.
My God knows all things, He created the fowls and its kind in the fifth day of the creation week.
And many thousand years had passed, per your interpretation, the fowls does no know what their foods are.
As God informed Adam what fowls food are only on the sixth day of creation.
If you explain that fowls have instinct, eating the vegetation created on the third day of creation.
That makes your god knows nothing that the fowls were already eating such food many thousand years ago.

[onewithhim]

There is a lapse in understanding of God's rest. His rest day is 1,000 years long and Jesus' followers today are in that rest. (The works of creation were thousands of years long, not 24 hour days.) His rest day does not refer to the Sabbath Day of Moses. It is much deeper than that.

There will be six 1,000 year periods of 'work' followed by the 1,000 year period of rest which is the Millennium.

The period of rest will begin at the time of the Second Coming of Christ.

And the Second Coming has not yet occurred, so we are not in that rest yet!

Verses in Hebrews show us that God's rest is already happening, and we are encouraged to enter His rest.

"For the man that has entered into God's rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from His own." (Heb.4:10)

"Let us therefore do our utmost to enter that rest..." (Heb.4:11)

[myth-one.com]

The works of creation were thousands of years long, not 24 hour days.

Genesis 1:5
And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:8
And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 1:13
And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 1:23
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Genesis 1:31
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Have you read Genesis?

[onewithhim]

The works of creation were thousands of years long, not 24 hour days.

Genesis 1:5
And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:8
And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 1:13
And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 1:23
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Genesis 1:31
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Have you read Genesis?

Yes, and they aren't 24 hour days. Can you not see that the "days" are of undetermined length? Science says that the earth is 5 billion years old. That aligns with the fact that the days were not 24 hours in duration. "Evening and morning" simply refers to the ending and the beginning of a time period. "The evening of my life" means that my life is over. "Morning" is a new day of undetermined length. This can be seen also at Genesis 2:4 which says: "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heavens."

Following your reasoning, this says that God created the heavens and the earth in one day. Isn't it obvious that this "day" is a period of undetermined length? So "day" doesn't necessarily mean 24 hours long.