The Bible's Biggest Problem(s)?

[POI]

In a continuation of this topic (viewtopic.php?t=39327&start=990), which only discusses one important topic, I present a follow-up....

For Debate:

1) Why didn't Jesus write the NT Himself? Why leave this task up to fallible humans to write what was floating around, only after decade(s) of oral traditions? Wouldn't Jesus know that earnest confusion would soon prevail, and that his true message(s) may get fouled up by human error and/or corruption?

2) Case/point: There exists countless denominations, with opposing belief systems, all in earnest in reading the exact same collection of books. If Jesus' intent is to convey truth, why not assure his message(s) are crystal clear and unified for all?

3) If Jesus also recognizes that many/most were/are illiterate, and/or the many who are literate merely read at a lower grade level, and that differing languages can also blur the message(s), why not write the Bible in a cohesive way in which even the most rudimentary person can understand, in all languages?

This is, in part, the problem of communication....

[JehovahsWitness]

...those scholars would accept that what Jesus wrote was his own words regardless of whether they believed the content of what he had written or not.

Fair enough ...certain scholars would accept authorship of a certain gospel while not necessarily holding its content to be truthful. And how does that resolve any if the issues in the OP or indeed differ in essence from any of the given gospels we have today?

[bluegreenearth]

...those scholars would accept that what Jesus wrote was his own words regardless of whether they believed the content of what he had written or not.

Fair enough ...certain scholars would accept authorship of a certain gospel while not necessarily holding its content to be truthful. And how does that resolve any if the issues in the OP or indeed differ in essence from any of the given gospels we have today?

It only needed to show that at least one objection could have been resolved had Jesus written his own autobiography. The objection it would have resolved was the debate about what Jesus may or may not have said as written in the gospels.

[POI]

[POI]

That would depend on if Jesus thought himself to be the Son of God or not.

Your response here, again, demonstrates the OP questions. You cannot say. Which is odd, since Jesus is claimed to be "the way, the truth, and the light." Maybe this itself is just another corrupted passage added by the ancients?

[POI]

There exists countless denominations, with opposing belief systems, all in earnest in reading the exact same collection of books. If Jesus' intent is to convey truth, why not assure his message(s) are crystal clear and unified for all?

a) Christians have an easy out for this because it's all solved if God doesn't punish anyone for earnest confusion.

b) The only way it's fully solved, however, is if God put a conscience in people that tells them nah that's not right when something has been altered by unscrupulous people into something genuinely immoral.

a) Christians always have an easy out, yes. As a believer, or even as a skeptic, one can argue for many differing premises, while using the same collection of books. Hence, why we have so many denominations.

b) Then we do not even need the Bibe to tell us what is (right or wrong) in the first place

[POI]

CLAIM : To clarify I hereby make one claim and one claim alone :

1. That there exist written manuscripts that contain records claiming to indicate the mindset of one Jesus of Nazareth.

Negative. We do not have the originals. And even if we did, we would have no idea how corrupted or inaccurate those documents would be. Why?

a) The originals are comprised after decade(s) of unfettered oral traditions. Oral traditions are not a reliable pathway to truth.
b) The ones who study these texts state that the more you go back, to the earlier writings that we do find, the more they deviate from one another. Less deviation came after the Bible was canonized in the 4th Century, and beyond, --- after emperor Constantin certified the belief as the official religion.
c) As Bluegreenearth already indicated, if Jesus wrote and preserved his expressed 'truths' himself, at least some stuff would be resolved. Case/point, we do not question what Paul thought or wrote.

[JehovahsWitness]

CLAIM : To clarify I hereby make one claim and one claim alone :

1. That there exist written manuscripts that contain records claiming to indicate the mindset of one Jesus of Nazareth.

Negative. We do not have the originals. ...

Did I say we had the originals?





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[POI]

CLAIM : To clarify I hereby make one claim and one claim alone :

1. That there exist written manuscripts that contain records claiming to indicate the mindset of one Jesus of Nazareth.

Negative. We do not have the originals. ...

Did I say we had the originals?





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Thus, your guess is as good as mine. Which begs a fundamental question... Did Jesus really care to convey what IS true?

[Purple Knight]

Then we do not even need the Bible to tell us what is (right or wrong) in the first place

That's what I've been arguing, yes. If there's a fair God, he would not rely on dropping a book out of the sky and then shrug his shoulders when people mess with it. He would just give everyone a conscience that pointed due north.

And since mine doesn't, there's not a fair God. That or I'm an NPC. From someone else's perspective I guess that could be the case. But since I am me and I know it isn't, I have to say there's either an unfair God, or none at all.

What a book can have in this scenario, though, is elucidation. It can take you further if it holds your hand and you go along with it. But if your conscience doesn't follow along at every step it immediately ceases to be useful.

[John17_3]