God created all things by Jesus Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

Peace and God bless

[myth-one.com]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.

[Capbook]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.

Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

[onewithhim]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.

Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.

[Capbook]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.

Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.

Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

[onewithhim]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.

Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.

Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

I agree. It is God's active FORCE.

[Capbook]

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.

Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.

Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.

Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

I agree. It is God's active FORCE.

Can a force teach and bring into remembrance all things?
As a Comforter lexicon defines it as a legal assistant, counsel of the defense, an advocate, verbal adjective and etc.

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Comforter parakletos NT:3875), lit., "called to one's side," i. e., to one's aid, is primarily a verbal adjective, and suggests the capability or adaptability for giving aid. It was used in a court of justice to denote a legal assistant, counsel for the defense, an advocate; then, generally, one who pleads another's cause, an intercessor, advocate, as in 1 John 2:1, of the Lord Jesus.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

[Bible_Student]

As to whether one believes an "interpretation" (not to be confused with a translational choice) is ..."weird", that is entirely subjective and essentially irrelevant.

Not in my view, but thanks for sharing yours.

The post of mine you're quoting was to another poster about something he said. He already answered it and supplied what I asked for.

[Bible_Student]

1) ἐν αὐτῷ ... commonly translated "in him"

You are saying that 1) may mean also "of his agency". Can you cite an example where that is the real translation of that preposition?

PS: I am asking for a real quotation where that preposition ἐν means "with the agency of" (or: BY), not for a "possible translation" based on a "weird interpretation".

"Certainly."

Herodotus 6.109.3:

‘ἐν σοὶ νῦν Καλλίμαχε ἐστὶ ἢ καταδουλῶσαι Ἀθήνας ἢ ἐλευθέρας ποιήσαντα μνημόσυνα λιπέσθαι ἐς τὸν ἅπαντα ἀνθρώπων βίον οἷα οὐδὲ Ἁρμόδιός τε καὶ Ἀριστογείτων λείπουσι.

One translation is:

“Callimachus, it is now in your hands to enslave Athens or make her free, and thereby leave behind for all posterity a memorial such as not even Harmodius and Aristogeiton left."

The phrase "it is now in your hands" is literally "it is now in you," which I bolded in the Greek above. It is within the personal power of Callimachus and his decision to make. It is "of his agency."

You're right, the Greek preposition ἐν means "in" with the sense of "in someone's hands", or in other words "in someone's agency".
Nevertheless, the creation of the world was not "in the agency of Jesus" even if that could be one of its translations.

According to other biblical passages, the responsible for all the creation is his Father, so ... the selection of a translation sometimes is just an interpretation, and depending on other scriptures, it could be a "weird interpretation".

[Difflugia]

You're right, the Greek preposition ἐν means "in" with the sense of "in someone's hands", or in other words "in someone's agency".

My point was that Paul's intention in Colossians 1:16 couldn't be settled based on grammar alone.

Nevertheless, the creation of the world was not "in the agency of Jesus" even if that could be one of its translations.

According to other biblical passages, the responsible for all the creation is his Father, so ... the selection of a translation sometimes is just an interpretation, and depending on other scriptures, it could be a "weird interpretation".

As I've said before, I think that translations should retain a similar amount of ambiguity as the original if at all possible. Then, any harmonization of ambiguous and conflicting verses is up to you.

In my experience, most attempted harmonizations result in "weird interpretation," especially when trying to reconcile the views and writings of different authors. Paul's theology of creation won't match John's and neither will match that of Hebrews. In my opinion, it's best to let each author tell you what he or she means irrespective of what other authors think about the subject.

[Bible_Student]

You're right, the Greek preposition ἐν means "in" with the sense of "in someone's hands", or in other words "in someone's agency".

My point was that Paul's intention in Colos. 1:16 couldn't be settled based on grammar alone.

I agree.

Nevertheless, the creation of the world was not "in the agency of Jesus" even if that could be one of its translations.
According to other biblical passages, the responsible for all the creation is his Father, so ... the selection of a translation sometimes is just an interpretation, and depending on other scriptures, it could be a "weird interpretation".

As I've said before, I think that translations should retain a similar amount of ambiguity as the original if at all possible. Then, any harmonization of ambiguous and conflicting verses is up to you.

In my experience, most attempted harmonizations result in "weird interpretation," especially when trying to reconcile the views and writings of different authors. Paul's theology of creation won't match John's and neither will match that of Hebrews. In my opinion, it's best to let each author tell you what he or she means irrespective of what other authors think about the subject.

From the point of view of a Christian who believes that the entire Bible is inspired by the same holy spirit of God, there cannot be any contradiction when it comes to disambiguating some difficult-to-understand texts. That is the premise of a Jehovah's Witness when studying the Bible.