Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?
Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?
Who created all things?
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Re: Who created all things?
Post #61I think that this last post shows that the Word, Jesus, created all things, because his Father gave him the authority and power to do so. Because the power came from God (Jehovah), it can be said that God is also responsible for the creation. In fact, if power wasn't GIVEN to Jesus to create, nothing would have been created by Jesus. Jesus himself says that he does nothing on his own but whatever he sees the Father doing, he does likewise. (John 5:19) So the creation came into existence through Jesus, by God authorizing him to do so.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:58 amNot so. "By reason of" doesn't make sense. Jehovah created everything by means of His Son, Jesus. That doesn't make the Bible "unreadable!" You have changed the meaning of the verse. Various versions say something different than "by reason of him." The NAB says in verse 16b: "All things were created through him and for him." The ASV says: "All things have been created through him, and unto him." So, clearly, all things were created by Jehovah's power through Jesus, His Son. A footnote in the New American Bible says: "Christ is preeminent and supreme as God's agent in the creation of all things ." Notice that the word "agent" is used to describe Christ in relation to Jehovah God. What is an "agent"? The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines it as "a person who acts for another." Therefore, Christ is carrying out the creation for his Father, at his Father's behest. In other words, the creation happened by means of Christ Jesus who acted as his Father's agent.FruitoftheSpirit wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:58 pmmonogenes single of its kind, onlyplacebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:01 pmYou need to get a new Greek to English Lexicon and look up the word "first-born" and see how it is applied to Jesus, compared to how it is applied to men. While you're at it, look up "only begotten" concerning Jesus. Try Thayer's Greek to English dictionary; it will give you the truth, not the nonsense the Watchtower Greek to English shovels out.servant1 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 7:50 pm Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?
Wait one minute, in your N.W.T., you admit that the Son of God created all (other) things, he being created by the Father. Now you say it was Jehovah that stretched out the heavens and laid the earth. Make up your mind! If Jesus created all other things, then he is Jehovah who stretched out the heavens and laid out the earth.
Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?
Fact, Jesus was the only mortal man to have God's Spirit come to dwell in him without measure (John 3).
Fact, YHVH''s WORD by the prophet Isaiah was that YHVH would place His Spirit within a Son of Man. This man would be called to righteousness and be for a light to both Jews and Gentiles. This man filled with the Spirit would be SENT out to speak God's word of truth, do God's works and deliver captives. Such was all a glory that YHVH promised to give to no other, it was a promise for only one man (Isaiah 42).
Fact, "the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness righteousness and truth" (Ephesians 5:9) and one who is born of God having His seed remain in him is righteous not capable of sin (1 John 3).
Fact, 1 Chronicles 17 tells us that First you have a son of David and THEN YHVH our God becomes a Father unto him and promises to settle him into His House and give him an eternal throne.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit....14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil...30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth....33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Did YHVH our God's WORD not become true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth upon him being immersed in water and then receiving God's Spirit where he was then sent being for a light??
How can anyone be so blind to not see that being born of God, being born of the Spirit of God is not the exact same thing as having God's Spirit come to dwell in and remain in you?
We are given that through the Spirit that came to dwell in Jesus he was then sent to speak God's WORD and do God's WORKS and the people beheld the glory of him who was filled with grace and truth. How is it truly not obvious that Jesus being called God's only begotten Son is because of the fact he was the only mortal to have received God's Spirit without measure whereby he was filled with the glory of God's truth for him to then be sent out to speak it?
Jesus is the Son of Man to have been promised to be exalted to God's right hand, he is the Son of Man to whom God promised to settle into His House. How does a man according to Jesus enter into God's kingdom, he must be born of the Spirit right?
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and HAVING RECEIVED OF THE FATHER THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make* thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Further facts,
We are joint heirs with Christ being heirs of God.
We are to be made in the image of the Son.
Those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
A man must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter into God's kingdom.
We are to be baptized with the baptism Jesus received and we are to drink of the cup that Jesus drinks of.
We have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The moment the Spirit descended and remained in Jesus at the river Jordan God declared, "this is my beloved Son". The moment Jesus was resurrected he received the Promised Spirit and God declared "this day have I begotten you" which was God's word promised unto a son of David made true.
Jesus as a mortal man was God's only begotten Son, he was the only man to whom God called to righteousness, the only mortal man to have been begotten of God's Spirit without measure. This Son died on the cross, but upon his resurrection he was begotten of God's Spirit again and he was given a body that could not die and here he became a firstborn of many brethren.
Passages that people claim speak of Jesus as pre-existing are often falsely being misinterpreted simply because a clear and simple truth is not applied. God declared the END FROM THE BEGINNING and in that WORD was one man who would execute all His will and bring forth righteousness (Isaiah 46). Before Abraham even existed God's word was for Jesus to be that which Jesus declared of himself, "I AM the resurrection, and the life". I AM the light of the world".
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Jesus is still a man and he is returning in our Father's glory, that glory is that which makes him a Son of God (God's Spirit dwelling in him leading him in all of God's ways), that glory is also him sitting on his father David's throne putting all enemies under foot and making his followers into Sons of God, making them as he is, giving them of the One Spirit to drink of.
The context of Colossians 1 is all about Jesus after he shed his blood and rose from the dead, it's about God's kingdom which is in the new earth. Jesus is being referred to as a firstborn of only one creation in Colossians, the Eternal Creation. God made "all things by (REASON OF HIM) and for him, without him nothing would have been made that was made".
It is obvious that "by" is not "by means of" but rather "by reason of" because to say it is by "means" of is to then make YHVH our Heavenly Father into a liar and render the bible unreliable.
Your "obvious" "by reason of" doesn't add up.
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Re: Who created all things?
Post #62Except you have a huge problem that you have not yet addressed.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:52 pmI think that this last post shows that the Word, Jesus, created all things, because his Father gave him the authority and power to do so. Because the power came from God (Jehovah), it can be said that God is also responsible for the creation. In fact, if power wasn't GIVEN to Jesus to create, nothing would have been created by Jesus. Jesus himself says that he does nothing on his own but whatever he sees the Father doing, he does likewise. (John 5:19) So the creation came into existence through Jesus, by God authorizing him to do so.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:58 amNot so. "By reason of" doesn't make sense. Jehovah created everything by means of His Son, Jesus. That doesn't make the Bible "unreadable!" You have changed the meaning of the verse. Various versions say something different than "by reason of him." The NAB says in verse 16b: "All things were created through him and for him." The ASV says: "All things have been created through him, and unto him." So, clearly, all things were created by Jehovah's power through Jesus, His Son. A footnote in the New American Bible says: "Christ is preeminent and supreme as God's agent in the creation of all things ." Notice that the word "agent" is used to describe Christ in relation to Jehovah God. What is an "agent"? The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines it as "a person who acts for another." Therefore, Christ is carrying out the creation for his Father, at his Father's behest. In other words, the creation happened by means of Christ Jesus who acted as his Father's agent.FruitoftheSpirit wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:58 pmmonogenes single of its kind, onlyplacebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:01 pmYou need to get a new Greek to English Lexicon and look up the word "first-born" and see how it is applied to Jesus, compared to how it is applied to men. While you're at it, look up "only begotten" concerning Jesus. Try Thayer's Greek to English dictionary; it will give you the truth, not the nonsense the Watchtower Greek to English shovels out.servant1 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 7:50 pm Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?
Wait one minute, in your N.W.T., you admit that the Son of God created all (other) things, he being created by the Father. Now you say it was Jehovah that stretched out the heavens and laid the earth. Make up your mind! If Jesus created all other things, then he is Jehovah who stretched out the heavens and laid out the earth.
Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?
Fact, Jesus was the only mortal man to have God's Spirit come to dwell in him without measure (John 3).
Fact, YHVH''s WORD by the prophet Isaiah was that YHVH would place His Spirit within a Son of Man. This man would be called to righteousness and be for a light to both Jews and Gentiles. This man filled with the Spirit would be SENT out to speak God's word of truth, do God's works and deliver captives. Such was all a glory that YHVH promised to give to no other, it was a promise for only one man (Isaiah 42).
Fact, "the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness righteousness and truth" (Ephesians 5:9) and one who is born of God having His seed remain in him is righteous not capable of sin (1 John 3).
Fact, 1 Chronicles 17 tells us that First you have a son of David and THEN YHVH our God becomes a Father unto him and promises to settle him into His House and give him an eternal throne.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit....14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil...30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth....33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Did YHVH our God's WORD not become true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth upon him being immersed in water and then receiving God's Spirit where he was then sent being for a light??
How can anyone be so blind to not see that being born of God, being born of the Spirit of God is not the exact same thing as having God's Spirit come to dwell in and remain in you?
We are given that through the Spirit that came to dwell in Jesus he was then sent to speak God's WORD and do God's WORKS and the people beheld the glory of him who was filled with grace and truth. How is it truly not obvious that Jesus being called God's only begotten Son is because of the fact he was the only mortal to have received God's Spirit without measure whereby he was filled with the glory of God's truth for him to then be sent out to speak it?
Jesus is the Son of Man to have been promised to be exalted to God's right hand, he is the Son of Man to whom God promised to settle into His House. How does a man according to Jesus enter into God's kingdom, he must be born of the Spirit right?
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and HAVING RECEIVED OF THE FATHER THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make* thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Further facts,
We are joint heirs with Christ being heirs of God.
We are to be made in the image of the Son.
Those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
A man must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter into God's kingdom.
We are to be baptized with the baptism Jesus received and we are to drink of the cup that Jesus drinks of.
We have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The moment the Spirit descended and remained in Jesus at the river Jordan God declared, "this is my beloved Son". The moment Jesus was resurrected he received the Promised Spirit and God declared "this day have I begotten you" which was God's word promised unto a son of David made true.
Jesus as a mortal man was God's only begotten Son, he was the only man to whom God called to righteousness, the only mortal man to have been begotten of God's Spirit without measure. This Son died on the cross, but upon his resurrection he was begotten of God's Spirit again and he was given a body that could not die and here he became a firstborn of many brethren.
Passages that people claim speak of Jesus as pre-existing are often falsely being misinterpreted simply because a clear and simple truth is not applied. God declared the END FROM THE BEGINNING and in that WORD was one man who would execute all His will and bring forth righteousness (Isaiah 46). Before Abraham even existed God's word was for Jesus to be that which Jesus declared of himself, "I AM the resurrection, and the life". I AM the light of the world".
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Jesus is still a man and he is returning in our Father's glory, that glory is that which makes him a Son of God (God's Spirit dwelling in him leading him in all of God's ways), that glory is also him sitting on his father David's throne putting all enemies under foot and making his followers into Sons of God, making them as he is, giving them of the One Spirit to drink of.
The context of Colossians 1 is all about Jesus after he shed his blood and rose from the dead, it's about God's kingdom which is in the new earth. Jesus is being referred to as a firstborn of only one creation in Colossians, the Eternal Creation. God made "all things by (REASON OF HIM) and for him, without him nothing would have been made that was made".
It is obvious that "by" is not "by means of" but rather "by reason of" because to say it is by "means" of is to then make YHVH our Heavenly Father into a liar and render the bible unreliable.
Your "obvious" "by reason of" doesn't add up.
How do you reconcile the fact that in the OT you have a Creator whose name is YHVH who says that He created all things "alone" and as well he says, "by himself".
Further, this Creator YHVH, says that He will place His Spirit upon a man, call him to righteousness to be for a light, which makes Jesus not the Creator but the promised Messiah of our Creator's word.
YHVH our Creator declared the End from the Beginning where that which was declared from the beginning, even before the world was, was YHVH calling a man to fulfill His will, the very purpose as to why YHVH created all things in the first place. Through/IN this man did YHVH create all things by Himself, YHVH did it by reason of him and for him.
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Re: Who created all things?
Post #63YHWH (Jehovah) says He created all things because it was His power that he GAVE to the Word, Jesus, to do the actual creating. If Jehovah didn't give Jesus the power and authority, no creating would have been done by Jesus. We can rest assured that Jehovah created through Jesus. And this HAS been addressed. I guess you missed it all.FruitoftheSpirit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:52 amExcept you have a huge problem that you have not yet addressed.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:52 pmI think that this last post shows that the Word, Jesus, created all things, because his Father gave him the authority and power to do so. Because the power came from God (Jehovah), it can be said that God is also responsible for the creation. In fact, if power wasn't GIVEN to Jesus to create, nothing would have been created by Jesus. Jesus himself says that he does nothing on his own but whatever he sees the Father doing, he does likewise. (John 5:19) So the creation came into existence through Jesus, by God authorizing him to do so.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:58 amNot so. "By reason of" doesn't make sense. Jehovah created everything by means of His Son, Jesus. That doesn't make the Bible "unreadable!" You have changed the meaning of the verse. Various versions say something different than "by reason of him." The NAB says in verse 16b: "All things were created through him and for him." The ASV says: "All things have been created through him, and unto him." So, clearly, all things were created by Jehovah's power through Jesus, His Son. A footnote in the New American Bible says: "Christ is preeminent and supreme as God's agent in the creation of all things ." Notice that the word "agent" is used to describe Christ in relation to Jehovah God. What is an "agent"? The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines it as "a person who acts for another." Therefore, Christ is carrying out the creation for his Father, at his Father's behest. In other words, the creation happened by means of Christ Jesus who acted as his Father's agent.FruitoftheSpirit wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:58 pmmonogenes single of its kind, onlyplacebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:01 pm
You need to get a new Greek to English Lexicon and look up the word "first-born" and see how it is applied to Jesus, compared to how it is applied to men. While you're at it, look up "only begotten" concerning Jesus. Try Thayer's Greek to English dictionary; it will give you the truth, not the nonsense the Watchtower Greek to English shovels out.
Fact, Jesus was the only mortal man to have God's Spirit come to dwell in him without measure (John 3).
Fact, YHVH''s WORD by the prophet Isaiah was that YHVH would place His Spirit within a Son of Man. This man would be called to righteousness and be for a light to both Jews and Gentiles. This man filled with the Spirit would be SENT out to speak God's word of truth, do God's works and deliver captives. Such was all a glory that YHVH promised to give to no other, it was a promise for only one man (Isaiah 42).
Fact, "the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness righteousness and truth" (Ephesians 5:9) and one who is born of God having His seed remain in him is righteous not capable of sin (1 John 3).
Fact, 1 Chronicles 17 tells us that First you have a son of David and THEN YHVH our God becomes a Father unto him and promises to settle him into His House and give him an eternal throne.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit....14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil...30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth....33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Did YHVH our God's WORD not become true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth upon him being immersed in water and then receiving God's Spirit where he was then sent being for a light??
How can anyone be so blind to not see that being born of God, being born of the Spirit of God is not the exact same thing as having God's Spirit come to dwell in and remain in you?
We are given that through the Spirit that came to dwell in Jesus he was then sent to speak God's WORD and do God's WORKS and the people beheld the glory of him who was filled with grace and truth. How is it truly not obvious that Jesus being called God's only begotten Son is because of the fact he was the only mortal to have received God's Spirit without measure whereby he was filled with the glory of God's truth for him to then be sent out to speak it?
Jesus is the Son of Man to have been promised to be exalted to God's right hand, he is the Son of Man to whom God promised to settle into His House. How does a man according to Jesus enter into God's kingdom, he must be born of the Spirit right?
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and HAVING RECEIVED OF THE FATHER THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make* thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Further facts,
We are joint heirs with Christ being heirs of God.
We are to be made in the image of the Son.
Those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
A man must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter into God's kingdom.
We are to be baptized with the baptism Jesus received and we are to drink of the cup that Jesus drinks of.
We have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The moment the Spirit descended and remained in Jesus at the river Jordan God declared, "this is my beloved Son". The moment Jesus was resurrected he received the Promised Spirit and God declared "this day have I begotten you" which was God's word promised unto a son of David made true.
Jesus as a mortal man was God's only begotten Son, he was the only man to whom God called to righteousness, the only mortal man to have been begotten of God's Spirit without measure. This Son died on the cross, but upon his resurrection he was begotten of God's Spirit again and he was given a body that could not die and here he became a firstborn of many brethren.
Passages that people claim speak of Jesus as pre-existing are often falsely being misinterpreted simply because a clear and simple truth is not applied. God declared the END FROM THE BEGINNING and in that WORD was one man who would execute all His will and bring forth righteousness (Isaiah 46). Before Abraham even existed God's word was for Jesus to be that which Jesus declared of himself, "I AM the resurrection, and the life". I AM the light of the world".
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Jesus is still a man and he is returning in our Father's glory, that glory is that which makes him a Son of God (God's Spirit dwelling in him leading him in all of God's ways), that glory is also him sitting on his father David's throne putting all enemies under foot and making his followers into Sons of God, making them as he is, giving them of the One Spirit to drink of.
The context of Colossians 1 is all about Jesus after he shed his blood and rose from the dead, it's about God's kingdom which is in the new earth. Jesus is being referred to as a firstborn of only one creation in Colossians, the Eternal Creation. God made "all things by (REASON OF HIM) and for him, without him nothing would have been made that was made".
It is obvious that "by" is not "by means of" but rather "by reason of" because to say it is by "means" of is to then make YHVH our Heavenly Father into a liar and render the bible unreliable.
Your "obvious" "by reason of" doesn't add up.
How do you reconcile the fact that in the OT you have a Creator whose name is YHVH who says that He created all things "alone" and as well he says, "by himself".