Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Greatest I Am]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of Gods laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

[Cathar1950]

Not refuted, just your opinion presented. I stand by what I wrote.

I am betting you are sitting.
But some of us do think you have been refuted unlike your claims of refuting and busting as usually it is someone else you post as if it settled it without looking at the objections.

Do I care? Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness, vs. what the Word of God says.

Do you have any kind of data that " Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness" or that what you claim is the "Word of God" is actually the "Word" of God and not the writings of humans? Even your concept of the "Word of God" is questionable. It seem possible that others feel that way do to a sense of sympathy and understanding which are qualities reported but often lacking such as in your case. It looks more like you have gone with a political correctness with your arguments and are projecting.
Your presentation lacks maturity or thoughtfulness.
It just sounds like you are using some vague concept of "political correctness" to dismiss any view but yours as you interpret it.

[Easyrider]

Not refuted, just your opinion presented. I stand by what I wrote.

I am betting you are sitting.
But some of us do think you have been refuted unlike your claims of refuting and busting as usually it is someone else you post as if it settled it without looking at the objections.

Do I care? Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness, vs. what the Word of God says.

Do you have any kind of data that " Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness" or that what you claim is the "Word of God" is actually the "Word" of God and not the writings of humans? Even your concept of the "Word of God" is questionable. It seem possible that others feel that way do to a sense of sympathy and understanding which are qualities reported but often lacking such as in your case. It looks more like you have gone with a political correctness with your arguments and are projecting.
Your presentation lacks maturity or thoughtfulness.
It just sounds like you are using some vague concept of "political correctness" to dismiss any view but yours as you interpret it.

Believe whatever you want. I still stand by what I presented. I haven't seen anything that dispells that.

[micatala]

Not refuted, just your opinion presented. I stand by what I wrote.

I am betting you are sitting.
But some of us do think you have been refuted unlike your claims of refuting and busting as usually it is someone else you post as if it settled it without looking at the objections.

Do I care? Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness, vs. what the Word of God says.

Excuse me, but you might recall that I have based the bulk of my case on the Bible. Your charge of 'political correctness' is bogus and off base.

As far as my position being 'merely opinion', that is also incorrect. One can easily evaluate the argument objectively based on evidence and logic. Anyone can see from the very statements you make in your list of alleged harms that some of them are not about homosexuality per se at all. THey are merely smearing all gays because of the behavior of some, or are laying blame against gays for behavior we accept from others. This is not 'opinion', it is pretty easily verified from your own statements and about two ounces of logic.



However, since you are the one claiming the harms, it is up to you to provide the evidence.

How many billions have been spent specifically because of homosexual promiscuity? How much on heterosexual promiscuity?

What percentage of gays participate in gay pride parades?

Again. You are claiming the harms. Step up with the evidence.

[Easyrider]

Not refuted, just your opinion presented. I stand by what I wrote.

I am betting you are sitting.
But some of us do think you have been refuted unlike your claims of refuting and busting as usually it is someone else you post as if it settled it without looking at the objections.

Do I care? Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness, vs. what the Word of God says.

Excuse me, but you might recall that I have based the bulk of my case on the Bible. Your charge of 'political correctness' is bogus and off base.

As far as my position being 'merely opinion', that is also incorrect. One can easily evaluate the argument objectively based on evidence and logic. Anyone can see from the very statements you make in your list of alleged harms that some of them are not about homosexuality per se at all. THey are merely smearing all gays because of the behavior of some, or are laying blame against gays for behavior we accept from others. This is not 'opinion', it is pretty easily verified from your own statements and about two ounces of logic.

However, since you are the one claiming the harms, it is up to you to provide the evidence.

How many billions have been spent specifically because of homosexual promiscuity? How much on heterosexual promiscuity?

What percentage of gays participate in gay pride parades?

Again. You are claiming the harms. Step up with the evidence.

I don't feel a need to. I've posted my beliefs and you can believe whatever you want to the contrary. I'm not interested in more politically correct rationalism or revisionist Biblical arguments that seek to justify an aberrant and sinful behavior that is clearly identified as such in the Scriptures (see below).

Responses to the Pro-Gay Theology Crowd

http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/dallas.html

[Cathar1950]

Not refuted, just your opinion presented. I stand by what I wrote.

I am betting you are sitting.
But some of us do think you have been refuted unlike your claims of refuting and busting as usually it is someone else you post as if it settled it without looking at the objections.

Do I care? Most of the ones who feel that way are steeped in political correctness, vs. what the Word of God says.

Excuse me, but you might recall that I have based the bulk of my case on the Bible. Your charge of 'political correctness' is bogus and off base.

As far as my position being 'merely opinion', that is also incorrect. One can easily evaluate the argument objectively based on evidence and logic. Anyone can see from the very statements you make in your list of alleged harms that some of them are not about homosexuality per se at all. THey are merely smearing all gays because of the behavior of some, or are laying blame against gays for behavior we accept from others. This is not 'opinion', it is pretty easily verified from your own statements and about two ounces of logic.

However, since you are the one claiming the harms, it is up to you to provide the evidence.

How many billions have been spent specifically because of homosexual promiscuity? How much on heterosexual promiscuity?

What percentage of gays participate in gay pride parades?

Again. You are claiming the harms. Step up with the evidence.

I don't feel a need to. I've posted my beliefs and you can believe whatever you want to the contrary. I'm not interested in more politically correct rationalism or revisionist Biblical arguments that seek to justify an aberrant and sinful behavior that is clearly identified as such in the Scriptures (see below).

Responses to the Pro-Gay Theology Crowd

http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/dallas.html

Again you give us some site that says the same limited things you write and I can only imagine you got your ideas from such sources.
How is it aberrant and sinful unless you take homosexulaity and project it upon the writings?
The behavior that is hardly clearly identified as such in the Scriptures.
How are these scriptures to be read by others that do not share you bias and predjudice or your simple-minded unsupported view of the human writings written 2800 to 2000 years ago? The ideas presented in your cut and past job are all questionable and vary among even believers.

[Cathar1950]

et us look at your anti-gay rationalizations.
I am not pro-gay any more then I am pro-heterosexual but I am anti-anti-gay.

Major denominations ordaining homosexuals, priests and clergy presiding over same-sex weddings, sanctuaries invaded by boisterous gay activists, debates over homosexuality ripping congregations apart-who would have guessed we would ever reach such a point in church history?

Do you mean "boisterous" like Paul that presents his followers as his evidence or his gospel?
Marketing, Marketing, Marketing as he curses those with a gospel contrary to his such as those from James, that he received through visions and not any human.

I think they can rip themselves apart with out blaming gay but I find it amusing they blame the vitums of their bigotry hypocrisy and lack of compassion or understanding.
Church history is full of intolerance.

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"A vigorous debate between Christians and homosexuals" ?

It is hardly just between "Christians and homosexuals" as many Christians disagree with your stand and interpretation as well as many non-Christians.
Theology is a human construct.

When God is reputed to sanction what He has already clearly forbidden.

Much like the fiction of Acts gives dreams to Peter? I hope you don't eat shrimp or wear scarlet.

Likewise, when Paul heard of a Corinthian church member's incestuous relationship with his stepmother, he ordered the man be excommunicated (1 Cor 5:1-5), then explained the principle of confrontation and, if necessary, expulsion from the community of believers:
Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast. (1 Cor 5:6-7)

And likewise they dumped Paul. Paul is hardly the spokesperson for all Christians nor does he speak for God dispite all of his boasting.

A healthy body purges itself of impurities; the Body of Christ cannot afford to do less. Error, like leaven, has a toxic effect.

Blah, blah ,blah nothing but rhetoric.
Identifying themselves with the body of Christ, a spirit, sounds like the Mystery Religions. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

What a bunch of trash.
I just ate some clearly forbidden, aberrant and sinful ham.

[Cmass]

There are 2 very lengthy debates in DCR where any reasonable person whether they be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic or from any other belief or non-belief system could conclude a decisive outcome: Zzyzx and Otseng's Flood debate and this one.
Easyrider is floundering at this point. Sorry Easy! I really am trying to be objective, but Micitala has you against the ropes with Cathar throwing punches for good measure. I just don't see this as a very good debate presentation on your part. Not that I could do any better, but this is really pretty lousy stuff:

Easyrider wrote:

I don't feel a need to. I've posted my beliefs and you can believe whatever you want to the contrary. I'm not interested in more politically correct rationalism or revisionist Biblical arguments that seek to justify an aberrant and sinful behavior that is clearly identified as such in the Scriptures (see below).

[Easyrider]

Easyrider is floundering at this point. Sorry Easy! I really am trying to be objective, but Micitala has you against the ropes with Cathar throwing punches for good measure. I just don't see this as a very good debate presentation on your part. Not that I could do any better, but this is really pretty lousy stuff

The four-hundred and fifty prophets of Baal Elijah busted probably felt the same way at one time.

[Cathar1950]

There are 2 very lengthy debates in DCR where any reasonable person whether they be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic or from any other belief or non-belief system could conclude a decisive outcome: Zzyzx and Otseng's Flood debate and this one.
Easyrider is floundering at this point. Sorry Easy! I really am trying to be objective, but Micitala has you against the ropes with Cathar throwing punches for good measure. I just don't see this as a very good debate presentation on your part. Not that I could do any better, but this is really pretty lousy stuff:

Easyrider wrote:

I don't feel a need to. I've posted my beliefs and you can believe whatever you want to the contrary. I'm not interested in more politically correct rationalism or revisionist Biblical arguments that seek to justify an aberrant and sinful behavior that is clearly identified as such in the Scriptures (see below).

Maybe you shouldn't kick a person when they are down but why would you kick them if they are up?
Clearly we have his opinion and believe with his chosen interpretation that he declares is God's word on the suject as taught by ancient writings that have been shown to be human and have evolved and have beed worked over for centuries aas they are still interpreted in a varity of ways by both Christians and others.
Now if he were sitting with a bunch of indoctrinated bible-believers that shared his interpretaion and views which are just some among many he might have a interesting sermon with evey one nodding in agreement without the least objection or reflection but to others it is questionable at best and abhorent at least.

[Cathar1950]

If we could see where the victim of homosexually is a real victim there might be a point but it seems the imaginary victim is Easyrider not those that happen to be of the same sex and are attracted to each other and choose to have a meaningful and mutual relationship. Claiming God is the victim makes God not only small but petty. Even Genesis hints that Adam tried all the animals first before God and him figured they wouldn't do as a mate.
At some point you have to step back and wonder why they take others lifestyles so seriously.