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Is the bible the word of God
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Is the bible the word of God
Post #1I found this debate on youtube, very nice and interesting. It is a debate itself, but the good thing is that we can even debate about the outcome or the topic. The debate is whether the Bible is the world of God or not. The debate is divided in the following order.
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Post #2
Christians do not do well in learned debates because they do not understand the Perfection of God's systems.
They fight the obvious power of God and show little faith in His power to do things right.
It is not surprising then that they wait for God to return and fix the problem He has created.
There is no problem and Christians are blind to this fact.
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They fight the obvious power of God and show little faith in His power to do things right.
It is not surprising then that they wait for God to return and fix the problem He has created.
There is no problem and Christians are blind to this fact.
Regards
DL
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Right on point
Post #3Dl has it right....there is no one to judge...no one to hate...nothing to worship....nothing from which to be saved....
The Bible and the Koran are books written by men and nothing more or less.
and so we dance.....
The Bible and the Koran are books written by men and nothing more or less.
and so we dance.....
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I'm interested in hearing this too. "Perfection" is a heavy word to toss around. My idea of perfection includes free ice cream. I simple concession to improve the universe, yet God's perfect system has missed this.twobitsmedia wrote:You have yet to point out what "perfection of Gods systems" there are.Greatest I Am wrote:Christians do not do well in learned debates because they do not understand the Perfection of God's systems.
I recognize that this is ridiculous, but, seriously, what are we discussing here?
I give license to anyone to claim: Xawn does not believe in God. No one may claim: Xawn believes there is no God. From that starting position, and that starting position alone, will we be capable of meaningful discussion.
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A lot of irrelevant preaching. It's strange that no one ask or addressed the single most important question. What does either book contain that is evidence that it's the word of a god. If either speaker would have adequately answer that question, the debate would have been over. There is nothing in either scripture that could not have been conceived, copied, dictated, or revised by mortal people. This glaring omission or denial is a clear statement about how addictive religion can be. Its amazing that anyone believes these scriptures are anything but human inventions. Considering the questions asked, the audience was also addicted.
What the two religions have in common is more significant than their differences. That is, they both believe there is a god, and that their god communicates with special people.
A sad, somewhat depressing, display that portends the continuation of the global conflict that generates much misery.
What the two religions have in common is more significant than their differences. That is, they both believe there is a god, and that their god communicates with special people.
A sad, somewhat depressing, display that portends the continuation of the global conflict that generates much misery.
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Re: Right on point
Post #7I would not say this.Flail wrote:Dl has it right....there is no one to judge...no one to hate...nothing to worship....nothing from which to be saved....
The Bible and the Koran are books written by men and nothing more or less.
and so we dance.....
We were told to multiply as a species and to learn of good and evil.
We do both well but have a way to go.
If you recognize the Perfection of our beginnings and do not think that God can back slide then you are there. Perfection of God's systems are still here and here forever.
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All things you can name.twobitsmedia wrote:You have yet to point out what "perfection of Gods systems" there are.Greatest I Am wrote:Christians do not do well in learned debates because they do not understand the Perfection of God's systems.
You should be able to look out at the whole world and recognize the Perfection of all things and concepts. God would have it no other way. He began with a Perfect universe and must end the same way.
This would include you.
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Basically the Perfection of God.XaWN wrote:I'm interested in hearing this too. "Perfection" is a heavy word to toss around. My idea of perfection includes free ice cream. I simple concession to improve the universe, yet God's perfect system has missed this.twobitsmedia wrote:You have yet to point out what "perfection of Gods systems" there are.Greatest I Am wrote:Christians do not do well in learned debates because they do not understand the Perfection of God's systems.
I recognize that this is ridiculous, but, seriously, what are we discussing here?
If you cannot accept that God is Perfect then the question becomes, why would you search for or follow a God that was imperfect. This would allow room to be better than Him.
In a world where God exists, this would not be allowed.
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Two problems here that I'd like to point out. You assert that someone would search for an imperfect God when you say "why would you search." Maybe God is imperfect and there's no point in searching for him that doesn't stop the fact that some people do search for him. This is a weird kind of circular reasoning that doesn't quite close back on itself.Greatest I Am wrote:If you cannot accept that God is Perfect then the question becomes, why would you search for or follow a God that was imperfect. This would allow room to be better than Him.
In a world where God exists, this would not be allowed.
"God must be perfect because people would only search and follow a perfect God. If God were imperfect, no one would search for him. Since people are searching, God must be perfect."
Secondly, you assert that nothing can be greater than God if he is perfect. If he were imperfect then something could be greater than him. That's specious if not irrelevant.
If God is imperfect, then I would want something to be capable of being better than him. That would be an improvement. If a better God came along (God's creator, for example) and booted God out, maybe we'd be better off.
This whole discussion is absolutely ludicrous. We're accusing God of being perfect when we can't yet accuse him of existing. It's like assigning attributes to a computer that doesn't exist. I'm sure God would like to have a say in the matter but he's too busy not interfering in the lives of humans and not answering prayers and not rewriting the Bible to take time out to discuss how perfect he is.
If God existed, and he claimed to be perfect, I'd call him a pretentious jerk.
I give license to anyone to claim: Xawn does not believe in God. No one may claim: Xawn believes there is no God. From that starting position, and that starting position alone, will we be capable of meaningful discussion.
