If the fossil record is wrong and the world is 6000yrs old

thatoneguy · Post by **thatoneguy** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:01 am

I've seen a lot of creationists arguing that radiometric dating is wrong for one reason or another, and that the fossil record is actually just a byproduct of a global flood or some such. Well, that's all dandy, but if the Earth is less than 6000 years old, then why are able to see stars that are light years away?

Do you deny the speed of light?

Perhaps you believe that these stars are actually much closer than they appear, and we measured wrong?

Or were they created millions (or in some cases billions) of years ago, well before the Earth?

Does light somehow reach us faster when the source is farther away?

I could come up with these hypotheses all day, but quite frankly there isn't a single reason to assume any of them. If someone wants to explain this part of the young Earth theory to me I think I've done plenty to give you some ideas to brainstorm with.

So, once again, given a model of a universe that is approximately 6000 years of age, how do you explain the observation of distant stars?

Bio-logical · Post by **Bio-logical** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:18 pm

xcept wrote:Ok I will admit me posting the creationwiki was a troll job. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

I knew it would inflame you flat earthers and I was pretty much spot on.

Back on topic, the fossil record isn't wrong. Its merely evidence, how it is interpreted is wrong. Index fossils for example. There are many of these supposed index fossils which are still living today but supposedly died out around the time they are said to be indexed. Fish, crustaceans and even insects. Why would they completely disappear from the geologic column and show up still alive? How is that even a possibility within the confines of evolutionary theory?

So I don't get it, is this an admission that he is actually a poser, parodying a YEC, or am I just totally misinterpreting his use of "flat-Earthers" and "Troll" ?

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:26 pm

Bio-logical wrote:
xcept wrote:Ok I will admit me posting the creationwiki was a troll job. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

I knew it would inflame you flat earthers and I was pretty much spot on.

Back on topic, the fossil record isn't wrong. Its merely evidence, how it is interpreted is wrong. Index fossils for example. There are many of these supposed index fossils which are still living today but supposedly died out around the time they are said to be indexed. Fish, crustaceans and even insects. Why would they completely disappear from the geologic column and show up still alive? How is that even a possibility within the confines of evolutionary theory?
So I don't get it, is this an admission that he is actually a poser, parodying a YEC, or am I just totally misinterpreting his use of "flat-Earthers" and "Troll" ?

Like Joey I suspect there is an element of butt covering with the troll admission.

The flat earther comment a poor ad hominem.

It matters not - "xcept" will most likely go the same way as his previous incarnation on this forum.

T-mash · Post by **T-mash** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:32 pm

xcept wrote:Ok I will admit me posting the creationwiki was a troll job. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Read as: "Ok I admit I'm totally clueless about science so I'll just pretend I didn't actually mean that!"

Oh and Merry Christmas you evolved monkey you

xcept wrote:the fossil record isn't wrong.

About time you said something others can agree on. Good job! *pat*

xcept wrote: how it is interpreted is wrong

Indeed. How you interpret it is quite wrong.

xcept wrote:How is that even a possibility within the confines of evolutionary theory?

It's very possible with proper education.

thatoneguy · Post by **thatoneguy** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:43 pm

This thread is not about evolution!

Anyway, xcept, it's called an argument from ignorance for a reason. It only makes you look ignorant. Unless you can come up with something better than "evolution is wrong because it can't explain X" then you should probably stop arguing, because whatever X is, I'm willing to bet that there's an explanation that you just haven't taken the time to look for. If you're trying to prove us wrong, then you're going to have to tell us why our explanations are wrong, not try to claim they don't exist.

xcept · Post by **xcept** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:57 am

Must I always explain the obvious to you neandertals? I posted the Big Bang link from CreationWiki

A. It was on topic
B. It would annoy the more outspoken members/mostly atheists
C. Its kinda boring being so serious all the time and thought I would liven it up a bit
D. Hence the "flat-earther" remark.

I love Christmas! Its awesome to be reminded of Christ and what He has done for mankind. The words peace on earth and goodwill towards men... is from God to us. Not to each other. Christ died so we can have grace from God.

Hey like to hear something interesting! My latest and greatest. I have been discussing Christianity with a man from Ghana who is a Muslim. He is converting and so is his mother. I sent them bibes and a nice book called from Jihad to Jesus.

See now that's what happens when the Holy Spirit comes upon a man seeking after the truth.

Dark matter is false, evolution is false, millions and billions of years are a sham. You have no real factual proof for any of it.

Oh and no, I have never before been on your site before now.

xcept · Post by **xcept** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:58 am

Must I always explain the obvious to you neandertals? I posted the Big Bang link from CreationWiki

A. It was on topic
B. It would annoy the more outspoken members/mostly atheists
C. Its kinda boring being so serious all the time and thought I would liven it up a bit
D. Hence the "flat-earther" remark.

I love Christmas! Its awesome to be reminded of Christ and what He has done for mankind. The words peace on earth and goodwill towards men... is from God to us. Not to each other. Christ died so we can have grace from God.

Hey like to hear something interesting! My latest and greatest. I have been discussing Christianity with a man from Ghana who is a Muslim. He is converting and so is his mother. I sent them bibes and a nice book called from Jihad to Jesus.

See now that's what happens when the Holy Spirit comes upon a man seeking after the truth.

Dark matter is false, evolution is false, millions and billions of years are a sham. You have no real factual proof for any of it.

Oh and no, I have never before been on your site before now.

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:08 am

It looks like xcept doesn't expect to be here much longer.
I don't see him as representing anything Christian or other.

xcept · Post by **xcept** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:06 am

Cathar1950 wrote:It looks like xcept doesn't expect to be here much longer.
I don't see him as representing anything Christian or other.

why should I have to represent all things Christian? You don't, neither does anyone else in this forum.

What's it really matter? Seriously? Its not like any of you really want any real answers from Christians. You just hate Christians and Christ so much you seek to belittle anyone that steps into your turf and talk to you. You wanna walk around being sarcastic intellectuals, I think I can poke fun at you once in a while.

So let me reiterate. The big bang is false. No evidence that's proved at all.

Evolution is false, there is no proved facts that are absolutely verified within the entire theory in any place.

You believe your theory is a fact then where's the absolute proof, let's end this debate once and for all.

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:38 am

xcept wrote:Must I always explain the obvious to you neandertals? I posted the Big Bang link from CreationWiki

Yet another ad hominem...very 'christian' of you

xcept wrote: A. It was on topic

Yep

xcept wrote: B. It would annoy the more outspoken members/mostly atheists

So you purpose is to annoy - not inform. Strike 2

xcept wrote: C. Its kinda boring being so serious all the time and thought I would liven it up a bit
D. Hence the "flat-earther" remark.

How doe an ad hom 'liven things up'?

xcept wrote: I love Christmas! Its awesome to be reminded of Christ and what He has done for mankind. The words peace on earth and goodwill towards men... is from God to us. Not to each other. Christ died so we can have grace from God.

No he didn't ... it is a myth.

xcept wrote: Hey like to hear something interesting! My latest and greatest. I have been discussing Christianity with a man from Ghana who is a Muslim. He is converting and so is his mother. I sent them bibes and a nice book called from Jihad to Jesus.

'Bibes'? I presume you mean 'bribes'.

xcept wrote: Dark matter is false, evolution is false, millions and billions of years are a sham. You have no real factual proof for any of it.

Four unsupported claims in a single sentance!

xcept wrote: Oh and no, I have never before been on your site before now.

Sorry - I was confusing you with your clone.

T-mash · Post by **T-mash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:36 am

xcept wrote:Must I always explain the obvious to you neandertals?

You make baby Jesus cry.

xcept wrote:I love Christmas! Its awesome to be reminded of Christ and what He has done for mankind. The words peace on earth and goodwill towards men... is from God to us. Not to each other. Christ died so we can have grace from God.

Hey like to hear something interesting! My latest and greatest. I have been discussing Christianity with a man from Ghana who is a Muslim. He is converting and so is his mother. I sent them bibes and a nice book called from Jihad to Jesus.

See now that's what happens when the Holy Spirit comes upon a man seeking after the truth.

Dark matter is false, evolution is false, millions and billions of years are a sham. You have no real factual proof for any of it.

You know that even if all of that would be correct... that wouldn't provide any evidence for your god

xcept wrote: What's it really matter? Seriously? Its not like any of you really want any real answers from Christians. You just hate Christians and Christ so much you seek to belittle anyone that steps into your turf and talk to you. You wanna walk around being sarcastic intellectuals, I think I can poke fun at you once in a while.

I fail to see how your apparent lack of basic natural understanding is poking fun at us too be honest.. it's more like self-ridicule