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New research shows that homosexuality is an advantage

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Here's two papers on homosexuality and how it ties in with evolution. Up until now it had been a mystery how homosexuality had still been evident in a population since it appeared to be detrimental to fertility.
New evidence of genetic factors influencing sexual orientation in men: female fecundity increase in the maternal line.

There is a long-standing debate on the role of genetic factors influencing homosexuality because the presence of these factors contradicts the Darwinian prediction according to which natural selection should progressively eliminate the factors that reduce individual fecundity and fitness. Recently, however, Camperio Ciani, Corna, and Capiluppi (Proceedings of the Royal Society of London, Series B: Biological Sciences, 271, 2217-2221, 2004), comparing the family trees of homosexuals with heterosexuals, reported a significant increase in fecundity in the females related to the homosexual probands from the maternal line but not in those related from the paternal one. This suggested that genetic factors that are partly linked to the X-chromosome and that influence homosexual orientation in males are not selected against because they increase fecundity in female carriers, thus offering a solution to the Darwinian paradox and an explanation of why natural selection does not progressively eliminate homosexuals. Since then, new data have emerged suggesting not only an increase in maternal fecundity but also larger paternal family sizes for homosexuals. These results are partly conflicting and indicate the need for a replication on a wider sample with a larger geographic distribution. This study examined the family trees of 250 male probands, of which 152 were homosexuals. The results confirmed the study of Camperio Ciani et al. (2004). We observed a significant fecundity increase even in primiparous mothers, which was not evident in the previous study. No evidence of increased paternal fecundity was found; thus, our data confirmed a sexually antagonistic inheritance partly linked to the X-chromosome that promotes fecundity in females and a homosexual sexual orientation in males.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18561014
A population-genetic model indicates that if there is a gene responsible for homosexual behaviour it can readily spread in populations. The model also predicts widespread bisexuality in humans.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 5158b.html

The first shows that it is evolutionary advantageous for a society to have homosexuals and the 2nd gives credence to the "gay gene" hypothesis. In light of these two things, can religions continue to accuse homosexuality of being unnatural and/or morally wrong? And how should this research affect the socio-political nature of the debate over equal rights?
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Cathar1950 wrote:
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Yup, if I chose to I could be gay. You can believe you are a certain lifestyle and get caught up in that but you will always have a way out.

Yes just like a man can choose to be more attracted to or like blond women, or tall women, or red heads, or asian chicks, etc.
That is most likely because you are gay or bisexual which seems the obvious as you seem to have a choice implying attraction.
There is no reason to get caught up in the gay lifestyle if your not gay.
I think you are referring to your dad, don't worry I won hold that against you.

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superimposed wrote:
Cathar1950 wrote:
superimposed wrote: :(

Yup, if I chose to I could be gay. You can believe you are a certain lifestyle and get caught up in that but you will always have a way out.

Yes just like a man can choose to be more attracted to or like blond women, or tall women, or red heads, or asian chicks, etc.
That is most likely because you are gay or bisexual which seems the obvious as you seem to have a choice implying attraction.
There is no reason to get caught up in the gay lifestyle if your not gay.
I think you are referring to your dad, don't worry I won hold that against you.
What does my dad have to do with anything?
If you are attracted to men and if it is a choice or option to you then it is more likely you are gay unless you don't believe in attraction.
You are saying you could be gay which is wrongly saying that being gay is just a behavior or act and has nothing to do with attraction. Most hetrosexuals pronbable couldn't be attracted to a man unless they could think of them as somehow what they are attrsacted to.
But my dad has nothing to do with you being attracted to men and not acting upon it.
Maybe You are a self loathing repressed homosexual, how can we tell the difference?

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Cathar1950 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
Cathar1950 wrote:
superimposed wrote: :(

Yup, if I chose to I could be gay. You can believe you are a certain lifestyle and get caught up in that but you will always have a way out.

Yes just like a man can choose to be more attracted to or like blond women, or tall women, or red heads, or asian chicks, etc.
That is most likely because you are gay or bisexual which seems the obvious as you seem to have a choice implying attraction.
There is no reason to get caught up in the gay lifestyle if your not gay.
I think you are referring to your dad, don't worry I won hold that against you.
What does my dad have to do with anything?
If you are attracted to men and if it is a choice or option to you then it is more likely you are gay unless you don't believe in attraction.
You are saying you could be gay which is wrongly saying that being gay is just a behavior or act and has nothing to do with attraction. Most hetrosexuals pronbable couldn't be attracted to a man unless they could think of them as somehow what they are attrsacted to.
But my dad has nothing to do with you being attracted to men and not acting upon it.
Maybe You are a self loathing repressed homosexual, how can we tell the difference?
no but I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.

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superimposed wrote:
Cathar1950 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
Cathar1950 wrote:
superimposed wrote: :(

Yup, if I chose to I could be gay. You can believe you are a certain lifestyle and get caught up in that but you will always have a way out.

Yes just like a man can choose to be more attracted to or like blond women, or tall women, or red heads, or asian chicks, etc.
That is most likely because you are gay or bisexual which seems the obvious as you seem to have a choice implying attraction.
There is no reason to get caught up in the gay lifestyle if your not gay.
I think you are referring to your dad, don't worry I won hold that against you.
What does my dad have to do with anything?
If you are attracted to men and if it is a choice or option to you then it is more likely you are gay unless you don't believe in attraction.
You are saying you could be gay which is wrongly saying that being gay is just a behavior or act and has nothing to do with attraction. Most hetrosexuals pronbable couldn't be attracted to a man unless they could think of them as somehow what they are attrsacted to.
But my dad has nothing to do with you being attracted to men and not acting upon it.
Maybe You are a self loathing repressed homosexual, how can we tell the difference?
no but I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
%That is probably because you were aroused and had not been prepared to understand your own sexuality. Often those that commit violent acts on others, such as yourself when you "put a whooping on", are not acting from low self esteem but from to high of an opinion of themselves and they react when others confront them and blow their cover. Of course in our repressed society and its less then mature approach to sexuality , such as your self, they are confused and then when confronted with sexual feels are unable to accept themselves.
So it might have been my dad but most likely he was just trying to be nice and you got scared.

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New research shows that homosexuality is an advantage

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superimposed wrote:
...I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
Unless "stepped over the line" refers to the "gay dude" physically assaulting you, you have just confessed to a felony, i.e., a hate crime.

If you're a good Christian who believes in the Bible, why don't you turn yourself in to the authorities and do your time? Or does your Bible say it's okay to assault and beat people for saying something you don't like and defy the law? Is it a matter of noble Christian civil disobedience to beat up gays?

Oh, he grabbed your butt? Sorry, it's still a hate crime. Unless you can prove you'd also beat up a woman who did the same thing, the assault - the one you confessed to here - was motivated by bigotry.

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cnorman18 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
...I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
Unless "stepped over the line" refers to the "gay dude" physically assaulting you, you have just confessed to a felony, i.e., a hate crime.

If you're a good Christian who believes in the Bible, why don't you turn yourself in to the authorities and do your time? Or does your Bible say it's okay to assault and beat people for saying something you don't like and defy the law? Is it a matter of noble Christian civil disobedience to beat up gays?

Oh, he grabbed your butt? Sorry, it's still a hate crime. Unless you can prove you'd also beat up a woman who did the same thing, the assault - the one you confessed to here - was motivated by bigotry.
I doubt the story is even true. But if by some slim chance it is true it was probably a small man. I find it hard to believe anyone would cross the line given his posts, male or female. My dad was small but strong and quick and until Huntington's put him in a vegetative state he could have taken him, after that I give it even odds.
The law of averages says that two dumb people tend to have children that are smarter so I am thinking he will at least have a good chance of having kids that are smarter then him.

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Re: New research shows that homosexuality is an advantage

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cnorman18 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
...I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
Unless "stepped over the line" refers to the "gay dude" physically assaulting you, you have just confessed to a felony, i.e., a hate crime.

If you're a good Christian who believes in the Bible, why don't you turn yourself in to the authorities and do your time? Or does your Bible say it's okay to assault and beat people for saying something you don't like and defy the law? Is it a matter of noble Christian civil disobedience to beat up gays?

Oh, he grabbed your butt? Sorry, it's still a hate crime. Unless you can prove you'd also beat up a woman who did the same thing, the assault - the one you confessed to here - was motivated by bigotry.
actually I wasn't really very Christian then. I was just out of the marines. He was picking on a friend of mine, then he thought he would flip me off for intervening. So I beat him down. Maybe he picked up a good life lesson, don't bite off more than you can chew.

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superimposed wrote:
cnorman18 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
...I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
Unless "stepped over the line" refers to the "gay dude" physically assaulting you, you have just confessed to a felony, i.e., a hate crime.

If you're a good Christian who believes in the Bible, why don't you turn yourself in to the authorities and do your time? Or does your Bible say it's okay to assault and beat people for saying something you don't like and defy the law? Is it a matter of noble Christian civil disobedience to beat up gays?

Oh, he grabbed your butt? Sorry, it's still a hate crime. Unless you can prove you'd also beat up a woman who did the same thing, the assault - the one you confessed to here - was motivated by bigotry.
actually I wasn't really very Christian then. I was just out of the marines. He was picking on a friend of mine, then he thought he would flip me off for intervening. So I beat him down. Maybe he picked up a good life lesson, don't bite off more than you can chew.
Maybe you were just a homophobic bully then and now you are a Christian one.
But at least I was correct, he didn't really hit on you, he hit on your buddy arousing some jealousy.

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superimposed wrote:
cnorman18 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
...I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
Unless "stepped over the line" refers to the "gay dude" physically assaulting you, you have just confessed to a felony, i.e., a hate crime.

If you're a good Christian who believes in the Bible, why don't you turn yourself in to the authorities and do your time? Or does your Bible say it's okay to assault and beat people for saying something you don't like and defy the law? Is it a matter of noble Christian civil disobedience to beat up gays?

Oh, he grabbed your butt? Sorry, it's still a hate crime. Unless you can prove you'd also beat up a woman who did the same thing, the assault - the one you confessed to here - was motivated by bigotry.
actually I wasn't really very Christian then. I was just out of the marines. He was picking on a friend of mine, then he thought he would flip me off for intervening. So I beat him down. Maybe he picked up a good life lesson, don't bite off more than you can chew.
You're very clearly still proud of that crime, since you bragged about it here. Tell me, how Christian do you think that is?

Let me hand you a good life lesson; don't boast about committing Federal felonies when you're trying to show how great and good and moral a Christian you are.

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superimposed wrote:
cnorman18 wrote:
superimposed wrote:
...I did put a whoopin on a gay dude one time cuz he stepped over the line. Mighta been your dad.
Unless "stepped over the line" refers to the "gay dude" physically assaulting you, you have just confessed to a felony, i.e., a hate crime.

If you're a good Christian who believes in the Bible, why don't you turn yourself in to the authorities and do your time? Or does your Bible say it's okay to assault and beat people for saying something you don't like and defy the law? Is it a matter of noble Christian civil disobedience to beat up gays?

Oh, he grabbed your butt? Sorry, it's still a hate crime. Unless you can prove you'd also beat up a woman who did the same thing, the assault - the one you confessed to here - was motivated by bigotry.
actually I wasn't really very Christian then. I was just out of the marines. He was picking on a friend of mine, then he thought he would flip me off for intervening. So I beat him down. Maybe he picked up a good life lesson, don't bite off more than you can chew.

Did you seriously do this? Don't give me bullshit bragging.
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