There's recent discussion of killing babies, and how God may or may not 'preciate such.
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Who here would kill a baby because a god didn't like it?
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Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
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Why is it that this question seems so difficult for theists to answer?
Would jgh7 abort a fetus because his preferred god told him to?jgh7 wrote: Yea, it's horrible to think of killing a baby because God doesn't like it. Now killing a fetus because the mother doesn't like it, that's a different story
Why is it that this question seems so difficult for theists to answer?
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Here's the thing; He wouldn't tell me to.JoeyKnothead wrote:From Post 9:
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
There's no 'if,' here. He wouldn't. To put it in terms an atheist..or non-theist..might accept, that's like asking what I would do if Captain Ahab applied for a job as cabin boy on the MV Steve Irwin.
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And YHWH. At least, as reported in the Bible, quite a lot.ThatGirlAgain wrote:The only god I know who was interested in killing babies was Moloch. But he has a bad rep. So NO I would not.JoeyKnothead wrote:As I type this, there's been 34 reads of this OP, and not one has come forth to say they'd kill a baby in the name of a god.
Yet some to many will elsewhere defend a god's "right" to kill babies - in the form of having humans do its dirty work.
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Here's the thing; He told other people to, a lot, that is, the fictional character described in the OT did. Is that the God you worship?dianaiad wrote:Here's the thing; He wouldn't tell me to.JoeyKnothead wrote:From Post 9:
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
There's no 'if,' here. He wouldn't. To put it in terms an atheist..or non-theist..might accept, that's like asking what I would do if Captain Ahab applied for a job as cabin boy on the MV Steve Irwin.
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I worship the God described in the OT...and the NT and the BoM and the Doctrine and Covenants.Autodidact wrote:Here's the thing; He told other people to, a lot, that is, the fictional character described in the OT did. Is that the God you worship?dianaiad wrote:Here's the thing; He wouldn't tell me to.JoeyKnothead wrote:From Post 9:
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
There's no 'if,' here. He wouldn't. To put it in terms an atheist..or non-theist..might accept, that's like asking what I would do if Captain Ahab applied for a job as cabin boy on the MV Steve Irwin.
What I get from the OT is a lot of people who claim that they were told to kill babies. However, since those stories were restricted to a specific culture and time, and not repeated anywhere or anywhen else, I begin to wonder just how much of it was God telling them....and the winners claiming that God told them.
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So your position is that the events described in the OT did not happen? In other words, it's false?dianaiad wrote:I worship the God described in the OT...and the NT and the BoM and the Doctrine and Covenants.Autodidact wrote:Here's the thing; He told other people to, a lot, that is, the fictional character described in the OT did. Is that the God you worship?dianaiad wrote:Here's the thing; He wouldn't tell me to.JoeyKnothead wrote:From Post 9:
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
There's no 'if,' here. He wouldn't. To put it in terms an atheist..or non-theist..might accept, that's like asking what I would do if Captain Ahab applied for a job as cabin boy on the MV Steve Irwin.
What I get from the OT is a lot of people who claim that they were told to kill babies. However, since those stories were restricted to a specific culture and time, and not repeated anywhere or anywhen else, I begin to wonder just how much of it was God telling them....and the winners claiming that God told them.
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I"m not a biblical literalist, no.Autodidact wrote:So your position is that the events described in the OT did not happen? In other words, it's false?dianaiad wrote:I worship the God described in the OT...and the NT and the BoM and the Doctrine and Covenants.Autodidact wrote:Here's the thing; He told other people to, a lot, that is, the fictional character described in the OT did. Is that the God you worship?dianaiad wrote:Here's the thing; He wouldn't tell me to.JoeyKnothead wrote:From Post 9:
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
There's no 'if,' here. He wouldn't. To put it in terms an atheist..or non-theist..might accept, that's like asking what I would do if Captain Ahab applied for a job as cabin boy on the MV Steve Irwin.
What I get from the OT is a lot of people who claim that they were told to kill babies. However, since those stories were restricted to a specific culture and time, and not repeated anywhere or anywhen else, I begin to wonder just how much of it was God telling them....and the winners claiming that God told them.
As to which of the descriptions of those events is true or false....I think that they are True in that the men writing them did the best they could to write them as truthfully as they knew how, and described Him as well as they could from within their own cultures and ideas.
So I guess the answer is no, it's not false....it's not even factually incorrect as far as the writers knew; it simply doesn't present the entire Truth.
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They're not true or false? So they're totally useless? And that's what you base your belief system on?!?dianaiad wrote:I"m not a biblical literalist, no.Autodidact wrote:So your position is that the events described in the OT did not happen? In other words, it's false?dianaiad wrote:I worship the God described in the OT...and the NT and the BoM and the Doctrine and Covenants.Autodidact wrote:Here's the thing; He told other people to, a lot, that is, the fictional character described in the OT did. Is that the God you worship?dianaiad wrote:Here's the thing; He wouldn't tell me to.JoeyKnothead wrote:From Post 9:
I can dig it. However, the OP seeks to find those who'd do the killing for a god or gods, as opposed to which gods are cool or not cool with the killing of babies.dianaiad wrote: Joey, there is a rather large difference between God ending a mortal life (when He knows that life continues somewhere else) and humans killing babies.
How much equivocating is going on when one asks a question?dianaiad wrote: Stop equivocating. The two are entirely different subjects.
Would Miss dianaiad kill a baby if her favored god told her to?
There's no 'if,' here. He wouldn't. To put it in terms an atheist..or non-theist..might accept, that's like asking what I would do if Captain Ahab applied for a job as cabin boy on the MV Steve Irwin.
What I get from the OT is a lot of people who claim that they were told to kill babies. However, since those stories were restricted to a specific culture and time, and not repeated anywhere or anywhen else, I begin to wonder just how much of it was God telling them....and the winners claiming that God told them.
As to which of the descriptions of those events is true or false....I think that they are True in that the men writing them did the best they could to write them as truthfully as they knew how, and described Him as well as they could from within their own cultures and ideas.
So I guess the answer is no, it's not false....it's not even factually incorrect as far as the writers knew; it simply doesn't present the entire Truth.
I agree that the men that wrote them were aiming for truth. Apparently, they missed wildly. For that reason, I don't base my belief system on their odd collection of tribal mythology. Why do you?
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The definition of "fetus" differs from state to state, such as in California, Scott Peterson was convicted of a double homicide, so apparently the moral changes as the definition changes, I guess individual definitions of killing unwanted babies is a state issue.jgh7 wrote:Yea, it's horrible to think of killing a baby because God doesn't like it. Now killing a fetus because the mother doesn't like it, that's a different story
In California, mothers kill unwanted babies on a daily basis. In New York, it's a simple convenient operation to remove a parasitic fetus.
With this in mind, I don't see why the issue of whether a person would kill a baby if a definitely-existing power (which the OP is essentially admitting exists and is not just in the head of some crazy person but an actual being called "a god") didn't like is a concern since babies are killed by their own mothers on a daily basis with great support from the same secular side.
However, this question appears to be ultimately entrapment unless the OP admits that it involves a real being called "a god" which demands such from the "believer" and that it is not some psychotic episode.