Origin of non-christian religions

[wx47]

Hi everyone,

I would like to ask question about origin of non-christian religions (this is my first post , I'm christian )
OK - so I've been thinking and idea came:
As a christian, I believe in God, his creation of universe . There are, however, other religions such as buddhism, taoism, muslim, etc.
They don't believe in God *AND* because God is one who created universe (and they don't believe in him), their gods doesn't exist. Because there is good (God) and then evil (absence of God) - and they don't believe in him, are they product of evil (I mean those religions) ?
Are they work of evil to draw attention not to God, but to something other ?
OK, and last question - (if answer to last question is yes) - are those people evil / bad becouse there are spreading their non-christian religion ? (maybe there don't mean to do bad thing - they believe that they are doing good, but unknowingly doing bad)

(DISCLAIMER: I do not want to harass or find excuse to disdain non-christian people, I just want to know answer to stated questions)

Many thanks

[Adurumus]

Hardly. My point was that things don't need to intentionally be designed to be beautiful. At the moment, I'm only concerned with this point- which is proved by the wondrous stories and things that can be created with just a few simple set of rules. No need to thank any sort of creator in this situation.

[happy forever]

Hardly. My point was that things don't need to intentionally be designed to be beautiful. At the moment, I'm only concerned with this point- which is proved by the wondrous stories and things that can be created with just a few simple set of rules. No need to thank any sort of creator in this situation.

Then thank your body which is servant to you unintentionally and very organized without The Great Organizer and allow you to see without knowing what is the meaning of sight and allow you to hear without knowing the meaning of hearing.

Worship trees for producing you delicious food unintentionally as they eat water and plant themselves and live on clay and water to provide you with delicious food and fruits unintentionally for your sake!!

Worship the sun which orbits to lighten your day unintentionally then let you sleep in dark unintentionally for the sake of your eyes!!

Why and how there is existence very organized and integrated?!!

[Adurumus]

Let's say I'm at a cross roads. I don't know what is down each road, so I flip a coin. Heads, I go right. Tails, I go left. Is the out come of this flip something I intentionally designed? Am I responsible for how wonderful this entirely random event turns out? If it is, then I can apply liberal amounts of chaos theory to take credit for designing everything that has happened since my birth, even things that I decided by chance.

[Goat]

Hardly. My point was that things don't need to intentionally be designed to be beautiful. At the moment, I'm only concerned with this point- which is proved by the wondrous stories and things that can be created with just a few simple set of rules. No need to thank any sort of creator in this situation.

Then thank your body which is servant to you unintentionally and very organized without The Great Organizer and allow you to see without knowing what is the meaning of sight and allow you to hear without knowing the meaning of hearing.

It's amazing how much organization can come about by random variation followed by the filter of natural selection. All without needing a 'Great Organizer'.
The fun thing is that complexity from random variation followed by a filter can be repeatedly demonstrated, and there is no need for a 'Great Organizer' to be involved

Do you have anything to add that isn't one big massive 'Argument from personal incredulity'?

[happy forever]

Let's say I'm at a cross roads. I don't know what is down each road, so I flip a coin. Heads, I go right. Tails, I go left. Is the out come of this flip something I intentionally designed? Am I responsible for how wonderful this entirely random event turns out? If it is, then I can apply liberal amounts of chaos theory to take credit for designing everything that has happened since my birth, even things that I decided by chance.

Nice example.

You have two defined roads, organized roads to walk on them as if you say I have two trees one with orange and the other with figs, I chose figs.

Prove that your heart is obliged to beat now. Prove that your heart has no way but to beat like a coin run in a road.

[Adurumus]

Let's say I'm at a cross roads. I don't know what is down each road, so I flip a coin. Heads, I go right. Tails, I go left. Is the out come of this flip something I intentionally designed? Am I responsible for how wonderful this entirely random event turns out? If it is, then I can apply liberal amounts of chaos theory to take credit for designing everything that has happened since my birth, even things that I decided by chance.

Nice example.

You have two defined roads, organized roads to walk on them as if you say I have two trees one with orange and the other with figs, I chose figs.

Prove that your heart is obliged to beat now. Prove that your heart has no way but to beat like a coin run in a road.

I haven't chosen a road. The coin did, chance did. The resulting adventure should be credited to the coin that made this 'choice'. My heart obliged to beat because that's its purpose in my body, and it wouldn't be a heart if it didn't beat. I have to say now before I make the mistake of saying something stupid that I know pretty much nothing about biology, human or otherwise. All I know is that my heart beats, and I know that because it does indeed beat.

[happy forever]

My heart obliged to beat because that's its purpose in my body, and it wouldn't be a heart if it didn't beat. I have to say now before I make the mistake of saying something stupid that I know pretty much nothing about biology, human or otherwise. All I know is that my heart beats, and I know that because it does indeed beat.

Why your eyes the blind thing is keen to make you see?
Why the ear the deaf thing is keen to make you hear?
Why your heart beat for you?

Will you say because this is their job?

Yes, of course this is the right answer, because this is their defined roles, this is the organization with no chance or randomness.
Everything must do its role perfectly in very accurate sincere integration and nothiing know each other and nothing know the whole existence and nothing knows the purpose of the whole existence exactly as a very organized factory full of machines. Every part of a machine does its role in integration with other parts. A machine executes its role in integration with other machines. The whole factory was made by an organizer for a purpose. This purpose is unknown to any part or any machine or any product of the machine.

Every part has nothing to do but its defined role and has no other way but this.

Allah creates and orders and reveals to everything its roles "When He wants a thing, He just say to it "Be" and it is." Quran

[bernee51]

The universe has no choice but to be as it is. Without the rules it would not be as it is. Why is a puddle the same shape as the hole it fills?.

Unexpected reply.

Always better than an expected one.

Don't you know that the false evolution tries hardly to answer by in a stupid way?

This sentence makes no sense. I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

I would like you to tell me why evolution is false.

If you see a picture of a beautiful natural scene, you wonder its painter. And when you see the natural scene itself, you say it is as is?!!

Indeed. And for me it is even more amazing that these should emerge from a natural process than at the whim of some creator.

May you be peaceful, kind, loving and happy

May Allah guide you, good brother

That which is the source of Allah certainly does guide me.

[catalyst]

My heart obliged to beat because that's its purpose in my body, and it wouldn't be a heart if it didn't beat. I have to say now before I make the mistake of saying something stupid that I know pretty much nothing about biology, human or otherwise. All I know is that my heart beats, and I know that because it does indeed beat.

Why your eyes the blind thing is keen to make you see?
Why the ear the deaf thing is keen to make you hear?
Why your heart beat for you?

Will you say because this is their job?

Yes, of course this is the right answer, because this is their defined roles, this is the organization with no chance or randomness.
Everything must do its role perfectly in very accurate sincere integration and nothiing know each other and nothing know the whole existence and nothing knows the purpose of the whole existence exactly as a very organized factory full of machines. Every part of a machine does its role in integration with other parts. A machine executes its role in integration with other machines. The whole factory was made by an organizer for a purpose. This purpose is unknown to any part or any machine or any product of the machine.

Every part has nothing to do but its defined role and has no other way but this.

Allah creates and orders and reveals to everything its roles "When He wants a thing, He just say to it "Be" and it is." Quran

WOW, apparently you have never met anyone who is deaf or blind due to chromosomal and/or genetic abnormalities (congenital defects). How then are these specific parts doing their, alleged by you, DEFINED role? Certainly, the eyes and ears may well be there and present in an aesthetic form, but they don't work in any DEFINED role. In cases such as these, did Allah screw up on purpose, IYO, and IF that is the case, could you please explain why he would choose to leave out, what you apparently consider "essential" nuts and bolts out of those particular "models"? After you have cleared that one up, we can go onto congenital heart defects.

Catalyst

[Adurumus]

My heart obliged to beat because that's its purpose in my body, and it wouldn't be a heart if it didn't beat. I have to say now before I make the mistake of saying something stupid that I know pretty much nothing about biology, human or otherwise. All I know is that my heart beats, and I know that because it does indeed beat.

Why your eyes the blind thing is keen to make you see?
Why the ear the deaf thing is keen to make you hear?
Why your heart beat for you?

Will you say because this is their job?

Yes, of course this is the right answer, because this is their defined roles, this is the organization with no chance or randomness.
Everything must do its role perfectly in very accurate sincere integration and nothiing know each other and nothing know the whole existence and nothing knows the purpose of the whole existence exactly as a very organized factory full of machines. Every part of a machine does its role in integration with other parts. A machine executes its role in integration with other machines. The whole factory was made by an organizer for a purpose. This purpose is unknown to any part or any machine or any product of the machine.

Every part has nothing to do but its defined role and has no other way but this.

Allah creates and orders and reveals to everything its roles "When He wants a thing, He just say to it "Be" and it is." Quran

Again, I really know very little about biology. I'm not the best person to ask about facts such as these; I can argue metaphysical logic, but not things I don't know about. Not a very satisfactory conclusion to the argument, but I really can't do better. I would have to ask, though... why do I have hair in places that serve no purpose? Why do I still have a spleen? Also, these wisdom teeth are killing me... not saying I could do better than someone all knowing, but I see some serious design flaws on my body.