Who created God

[Donray]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

[nygreenguy]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

the argument often is there must be an "uncaused cause" as otherwise it woud lead to an infinite regress.

I disagree with this on at least 2 fronts.

First, the dismissal of an infinite regress. They essentially fabricate the "uncaused cause" to get around the obvious logical problem. They seem to also have a problem with the fact infinity cant exist, although I do not.

Secondly is the "cause". I think the concept that everything has a cause it not one supported by the evidence, especially the most recent evidence that seems to keep coming out.

[fredonly]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I don't think their starting point is that the universe is perfect. They simply argue that that universe contains such complexity - such potential for variability, that it is implausible to assume it just happened due to randomness. They arrive at "perfection" only after assuming that God has to be perfect. Since he's ostensibly perfect, everything he does must be optimal (so the story goes).

I also understand that God is perfect.

That is based on a definition of God (per Anselm) that
what we understand as God to be a "being than which no greater can be conceived. Here's how Wikipedia relates it:

Anselm suggests that we understand what is meant by a "being than which no greater can be conceived" and we understand what exists in our mind. The concept either exists only in our mind or in our mind and in reality. If such a being exists only in our thoughts, then a great being - that which exists in reality as well - can be conceived. Therefore, if we can conceive of a being that than which nothing greater can be conceived, then it must exist in reality. Therefore, that than which a greater cannot be conceived really does exist.--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontologica ... ent#Anselm

If God is indeed perfect, then he wouldn't have created something that is imperfect - hence the universe must be optimal.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

This is a third, independent issue. Either there's an infinite regress of causes, or there is a first cause. There are logical arguments against the possibility that an actual infinite can exist, which points toward the alternative - that there must be a first cause.

IMO, that there was a first cause seems plausible (although not proven). That this first cause is perfect is unjustified - because Anselm's argument assumes that if you can conceive of something, then it must exist. This strikes me as absurd.

[Artie]

Who created God?

Well, if God exists and had a son wouldn't it be logical to think that God had/has a dad somewhere that created Him?

[Clownboat]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by rulers as useful. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)

To me, it is logical to conclude that wise rulers created all the god concepts.

[100%atheist]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

I am not sure about your definition of perfection. However, I came up with the definition of god that eliminates the question of his/her/its creation. Consider god being a timeless entity. This would mean that such god is capable of knowing everything about our universe, god can be the creator of the universe, and at the same time he doesn't need to be created since he is timeless, because the act of creation implies there is some moment of time when god was created in the time reference frame of our universe. Elimination of such time frame make the god's creation irrelevant.

[100%atheist]

Who created God?

Well, if God exists and had a son wouldn't it be logical to think that God had/has a dad somewhere that created Him?

If one takes the concept of Christian God having a son as literal as some Christians do, then the whole Concept of Christianity literally makes no sense precisely because of what you say.

[100%atheist]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

They seem to also have a problem with the fact infinity cant exist, although I do not.

Infinity is the exact number of ways one can define god.

[Donray]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

They seem to also have a problem with the fact infinity cant exist, although I do not.

Infinity is the exact number of ways one can define god.

Tell you what, could you just gives 100 definitions of God without repenting one and we will see how you would do with a million definitions.

Why do you need to post something that you cannot possible believe or even come close to proving?

Again, you can start with a hundred definitions today and add another 100 each day. OK? Bet you don't even get the first hundred.

[AquinasD]

Believing that "But who created God?" constitutes a good objection to theism betrays an immature conception of theology.

If you're actually serious about what you say, and you desire the acquisition of truth, then you ought to hit the books. But if you are only here to act smart and assume that you have delivered a withering critique that no half-way competent apologist can answer, nobody can help with your desire to confirm your own prejudices.

The idea of God is that He is uncreated. Why God and not something else, like the universe? That is what the argument intends to demonstrate.