The Total Lunar Tetrads Tell Us When Jesus Returns

[lvdyou]

Jesus was cursing the fig tree for having no leaves representing Israel for having no life after all He has done for them. In Matt. 24.33 Jesus says His return is "very near" after Israel becomes a nation again, branches beginning to bud (v.32), so within a lifetime of 75 years (Ps. 90.10) from 1948. No later than 2023! The 7-year Tribulation can't start any later than 2016. Jesus said the disciples could not know when He returns prior to Israel a nation again.

We are also told to look for signs in the cosmos for when the Tribulation starts. In the 6th seal, Rev. 6.12 (cf. Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20) says 3 things must occur before the Tribulation starts since the 7th seal opens up the very loud 7 trumpets of the Tribulation. The first rapture according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36) is "before the throne" (7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7) commences the Tribulation. The resurrection is at the start of the last trumpet (11.15) which is the harvest (14.14-16) to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18).

"When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood"(Rev. 6.12).

First, a great earthquake! The second greatest number of deaths occurred in Haiti 2010 and the most per capita, 1 in 27 people. The 4th or 5th greatest in magnitude occurred in Japan 2011 and was the greatest financial loss. Never before in history have two earthquakes of such massive proportions occurred back to back, year over year.

Second, a black sackcloth solar eclipse! There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. There are 3 kinds of Hybrids, the rarest being the H3 about 5% of the time which finishes off as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. The 4th long H3 since Christ is Nov. 3, 2013. It won't happen again till 2172.

Third, a red blood moon lunar eclipse! The rarest kind of lunar eclipse is the lunar tetrad. A tetrad is when there are 4 red blood moon total eclipses in a row. And it is even rarer when it lands on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles. Passover is the first of Israel's seven feasts representing atonement. And Tabernacles is the last feast pointing to the future millennial kingdom. The 6th Total Lunar Tetrad since Christ was 1949/50. Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 and signed the Armistice treaties in 1949. The 7th feast Tetrad was 1967/68. Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967. This is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart. The 8th Tetrad is 2014/15 and won't happen again for nearly 600 years, 2582/83. There is no unique solar eclipse next to that Tetrad way off into the future. As a double fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, it would take seven sets of seven years from the declaration to rebuild the Temple for it to be completed. This is 17,640 days or 360 days/yr x 7 sets of 7 years (Dan. 9.25). From June 7, 1967 to Sept. 23, 2015 is also 17,460 days. This day happens to be the Day of Atonement which is 10 days after the first rapture Feast of Trumpets.

Considering these undeniable facts, the Tribulation can't start before 2015 either. Next, we need a 2,520 day period for the Tribulation since all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens are 2,520 days each. 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers 2 to 10 as Daniel's basic working prophetic unit. This is triply confirmed since Jesus was "cut off" (Dan. 9.26) after 69 sets of seven years or 173,880 days from the declaration to rebuild the temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1). This takes us to Nisan 10, Monday, Mar. 28, 33 AD (Gregorian), the day Jesus entered Jerusalem-the first day of the four day inspection of the lamb. The 4 day inspection was Mar. 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus was captured on Thursday, Mar. 31 then He died on the cross Nisan 14, Passover, Friday, April 1, 33 AD what Satan calls April Fool's Day. The first 4 feasts refer to atonement, Jesus set apart for three days, His resurrection, and giving the Holy Spirit. Since the last 3 feasts pertain to Jesus' second coming (rapture, salvation, millennium) and the first of those feasts deals with the first rapture (Rev. 7.9), the 2,520 day period must count down from Feast of Trumpets. There is no holiday on the 2,520th day in 2023 from Feast of Trumpets in 2016.

The 2,520th day from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 takes us to Sunday Aug. 7, 2022. Yet I could find no holiday on that day either until I realized when Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday it is held the day after instead. So is the case in 2022. Tisha B'Av was when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. This is of great significance because Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple (2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2) for 1000 years (20.2-7) over the nations with His overcomers (2.26, 20.4-6) and a rod of iron (12.5). He returns with 10,000 of His overcomers (Jude 14,15)-the 5 wise virgins (Matt. 25.1-13). The 5 unwise virgins though saved and have eternal life which can never be lost (John 10.28) would not be included in the first rapture nor the return to reign during the 1000 years. They would be resurrected at last trumpet. This is accountability for Christians to "overcometh" mentioned 7 times in Rev. 2 & 3. Christians all overcome but not at the same time. Many Christians prefer to be tied down to the world like a balloon unwilling to be released so they shall lose this reward by being cast into outer darkness, outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ during the millennium.

Outer darkness is like being in the forest and seeing a beautifully lit cabin but not allowed to enter it until the occupants come out to take them to the mansion. Or it is like painting a house, but if you are sloppy with the paint getting it all over yourself, you will need to remove it with some solvent like gasoline which stings before you can enter the shower.

The polling system is messed up. It excluded my 5th option of "Possibly < 50%"

[Goat]

It's quite true Jesus said He will return very soon after Israel is a nation again so within a lifetime at the uttermost. Ps. 90.10 says a lifetime is 75 years so before 2023 from 1948. And since the 3 events spoken of in Rev. 6.12 right before the Tribulation are the 3 events of 2010-15, the Tribulation can't start before 2015. But since there is no 2,520 day period in 2016-23, but there is for 2015-22 we know the Tribulation with 100% certainty is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. Very simple so even you can understand.

Let's see you quote a phase that says 'Jesus said he will return soon after Israel is a nation again'. I bet that is ripped out of context and retrofitted.

[Mithrae]

I'm curious about the betting on whether Jesus will return and supposition about what lvdyou will do/say if he doesn't. Do these posts qualify as 'debate' under the forum rules? Not that I object, since the thread has certainly been kept alive Just curious, in the midst of all the speculation and gambling, whether or not lvdyou is in fact correct in saying that no-one has yet refuted his points in the OP?

I may simply be repeating below what has already been posted, since I haven't read the whole thread. But the gist of what I've seen is that random readers of the thread would have lvdyou's impressive claims on one hand, apparently unrefuted, and on the other comments about failed expectations and wagering that it won't happen. Who wins the argument, I wonder?

I lost interest after the first few pages, and I've only read the last three pages now so I'm not sure if anyone's covered this yet. If not it's probably worth posting. Using NASA's information on lunar eclipses and a Jewish calendar calculator:

1949/50 Lunar tetrad
1949 Apr 13, 04:11:25 - Erev Pesach (eve of Passover, I believe)
1949 Oct 07, 02:56:55 - Erev Sukkot
1950 Apr 02, 20:44:34 - Pesach I
1950 Sep 26, 04:17:11 - Sukkot I . . . . . . . . . . [snip]

I figure one holiday within a tetrad can be more or less ignored as coincidence, especially since there's quite a few with no holidays. Pesach Sheni doesn't seem to be an actual holiday in itself; so if we ignore that, it means that of our 17 tetrads there are 5 which include two Jewish holidays, and only 1 which includes three holidays. In other words, of the 14 besides our three, none have four holidays (of any type), 6 have two or three holidays and 4 of them have no holidays (not even Pesach Sheni). Then there's our three which cover four holidays, in an almost consistent Pesach/Sukkot pattern; the two gone by having begun in years rather significant to Israel's history.

Whether this might mean anything regarding the next tetrad is obviously for the individual to decide, but I figure a few actual, referenced facts can't hurt. Let me know if I've made any mistakes

The 'H3 hybrid solar eclipses' mentioned in the OP don't seem to fare so well, at a cursory glance. Googling H3 hybrid eclipse yields in the top 10 results Wiki pages on Solar Eclipse and the 3/11/2013 eclipse (neither of which appear to contain 'H3' at all), and eight pages expressing the same theory as the OP. Googling H3 "solar eclipse" gives 9 pages with the OP theory and an astrology page in which H3 is the html code for heading size three (might explain the Wiki pages above).

As far as hybrid eclipses go, these are the numbers which have occurred/will occur by century:
1700s - 19
1800s - 15
1900s - 6
2000s - 7
2100s - 4
2200s - 3
2200s - 8

I have to correct my comments here, along with information from the OP. Hybrid eclipses are those which include both total and annular eclipses. Class 1 hybrids are annular, then total, then annular again - over 90% of hybrid eclipses are of this type. Class 2 are total then annular, and class 3 are annular then total. However the OP is incorrect in saying that class 3 hybrids are the rarest; they have been during the Common Era, but across 5000 years they occur 4.6% of the time (26 occurances), compared with 4.2% for class 2 (24 times).
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEcat5/SEhybrid5.html

The OP also appears to be incorrect in saying that the 2013 H3 eclipse is only the "4th long H3 since Christ" - it's the eighth, and regarding length it's 1 minute and 40 seconds compared with 1 minute and 23 seconds for the second-shortest since Christ (1m07s for the shortest in 1854). They occurred in the following years:
190 CE
349 CE
508 CE
1228 CE
1350 CE
1489 CE
1854 CE

Of course if it's the eighth H3 eclipse since Christ and occurs the year before the eighth 'feast tetrad' of lunar eclipses since Christ, that may actually make for a better argument. On that note, I can confirm that 2014/15 is indeed the eighth 'feast tetrad' of lunar eclipses since Christ. The others are as follows (anomalies in the pattern bolded):

0795 Apr 09 05:35:52 - Pesach 7
0795 Oct 03 06:48:40 - Sukkot 7
0796 Mar 28 06:48:48 - Pesach 6
0796 Sep 21 20:22:35 - Sukkot 6

0842 Mar 30 04:24:21 - Pesach 7
0842 Sep 23 14:01:24 - Sukkot 7
0843 Mar 19 20:00:50 - Pesach 6
0843 Sep 12 13:47:07 - Sukkot 6

0860 Apr 09 12:04:18 - Pesach 7
0860 Oct 03 21:30:19 - Sukkot 7
0861 Mar 30 03:58:57 - Pesach 7
0861 Sep 22 21:05:29 - Sukkot 6

1428 Mar 31 08:21:15 - Pesach 1
1428 Sep 23 17:29:54 - Erev Sukkot
1429 Mar 20 23:02:11 - Pesach 2
1429 Sep 13 00:30:32 - Sukkot 2

1493 Apr 02 01:28:34 - Pesach 2
1493 Sep 25 14:23:01 - Sukkot 1
1494 Mar 22 01:37:17 - Pesach 2
1494 Sep 15 06:32:25 - Sukkot 2

Then 1949/50 and 1967/68 of course. Note however that contrary to the OP's claim that this "is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart," the same can be seen in the 842 and 860 tetrads.

On the other hand, besides 2013/14/15 the closest correlation since Christ between these 'feast tetrads' and a H3 or H2 hybrid solar eclipse is the 1489 H3 hybrid and 1493/94 lunar tetrad. Kinda makes it interesting for such a close correlation to occur when it's the eighth H3 hybrid and eighth 'feast tetrad' since Christ. (Also interesting, though perhaps not relevant, that the second-closest correlation is also with a H3 hybrid and occurred around the time the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.)

[Mithrae]

It's quite true Jesus said He will return very soon after Israel is a nation again so within a lifetime at the uttermost. Ps. 90.10 says a lifetime is 75 years so before 2023 from 1948. And since the 3 events spoken of in Rev. 6.12 right before the Tribulation are the 3 events of 2010-15, the Tribulation can't start before 2015. But since there is no 2,520 day period in 2016-23, but there is for 2015-22 we know the Tribulation with 100% certainty is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. Very simple so even you can understand.

Let's see you quote a phase that says 'Jesus said he will return soon after Israel is a nation again'. I bet that is ripped out of context and retrofitted.

I have to say that despite interesting information and persistence, lvdyou probably isn't the best apologist/evangelist out there. It's frankly depressing that he keeps using Matthew as the basis for this claim.

Matthew turns Jesus cursing the fig tree into nothing more than a lesson on faith - he's entered Jerusalem and cleared the temple, he sees the fig tree, curses it, the tree withers, and he explains. The original in Mark is more enigmatic - for starters it specifically says that it was not the season for figs. It's a whole day before the disciples see the withered tree, during which Jesus clears the temple. Mark still has the lesson on faith, but maybe there's some further meaning behind the curséd fruitless tree. I think I vaguely recall ThatGirlAgain commenting on this with regard to Mark writing after 70CE - I'll PM her to see if she's got a yea or nay or something else to add here.

If it's a viable interpretation that the curséd fig tree is a metaphor for Israel's devastation in 70CE, then in all honesty I'd have to say it's a weak but by no means absurd interpretation that the sprouting of the fig tree (Mark 13:28-29) might refer to Israel's reinstatement.

[lvdyou]

Many references throughout the OT are given to Israel represented by the fig tree, and Jesus curses the fig tree for Israel having no life for rejecting Him. After discussing Israel, Matt. 24.32-33 says once Israel starts budding its branches again, He will return soon.

There have been only 3 long H3 solar eclipses since Christ. Notice we are just referring to the long ones, not the short ones since the long H3's are even more rare--the rarest kind of eclipses. It finishes off as being a total ecliplse to produce that black sackcloth effect.

"Right at the door" and "very near" in terms of how long Israel has not been a nation (2500 years) would be within a lifetime at the most so no later than 75 (Ps. 90.10) years from 1948 to 2023. This is proper context.

And since the 3 events in Rev. 6.12 (see Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20) which occur before the Tribulation occur from 2010-15 as well proven as certain fact, the Tribulation can't start before 2015. But since there is no 2,520 day period 2016-23 that only leaves 2015-22.

In fact, we do find that there is amazingly a 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

Simple so even you can understand and therefore, are without excuse.

[lvdyou]

What's going to happen is come Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets a couple million will vanish (raptured) because they were ready to be received up. There are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere. Not that many though, just the overcomers who are alive at the time. It is estimated because only 1 of the 7 churches in Rev. 2 & 3 was an overcomer church, only 1/7th of believers alive Sept. 14, 2015 will be taken up as Jesus was.

The false Christians will accuse it of being a fake rapture. Other non-Christians will rationalize it to themselves as some hoax or make up some other excuse.

Then the Tribulation ensues. In the first half of the 7 year Tribulation just the earth is hurt with various events as disclosed in Rev. 8. Even in the 1st of 3 woes of the 2nd half of the Tribulation people don't die in mass yet.

It's not till the last 37 months of the 2nd and 3rd woes (6th and 7th trumpets) of the Great Tribulation in which 200 million military units congregate in the middle east over oil to do battle and 1/3 of the people of earth die in a nuclear exchange.

This will not go on for many years in endless torment, but it is all concluded with Jesus stepping down on the mount of olives Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

There is no way around this. It is preordained, that is to say, God foreknows the events and His righteous response to them to counter man's sinfulness and Satan's wiles.

[postroad]

Did I not prove that Satan was God?

1.2 Samuel 24:1
[ David Enrolls the Fighting Men ] Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.�

2.1 Chronicles 21:1
[ David Counts the Fighting Men ] Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

[lvdyou]

You can reconcile these two verses by realizing God will use evil for good.

In other words, Satan and Israel were being evil, so in response God called David to take a census to counter Satan's wiles.

Elementary dear Watson. You can see how it doesn't do you much good to read the Bible with your flesh; only by the Spirit of God in the spirit of a believer does it make sense.

[lvdyou]

Let's consider the likelihood those who reject Jesus returns Aug. 7, 2022 on Tisha B'Av when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed to reign in the 3rd Temple is because they reject this Jesus even after being given the proof and time of His resurrection as well as His return.

Let's also consider the size of the New City is only 1379 x 1379 miles in Rev. 21. which is about the size of India or about half the size of mainland USA. Comfortably one would not expect more than a billion souls to be the appropriate number for that space. Since Adam we can roughly estimate there have been 50 billion souls and perhaps another 250 billion souls in the millennial kingdom, so 1 billion divided by 300 bil. is a probability of being saved, the savings ratio, of 1 in 300, but let's be generous and say it could be as good as 1 in 200. So somewhere between 1 in 200 and 1 in 300.

Considering these two facts, we can observe based on the poll these two points agree because the poll is on the way up from 1 in 20 to 1 in 100 to even 1 in 300 who would agree with the proof for the Tribulation Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

No wonder why so many reject when Jesus said He would return for they are going to Hell, refusing His love, mercy and grace, dying on the cross for the sins of the whole world.

The ages in the OT add up to 4004 BC. There are 120 Jubilees from 3986 BC to 2015 AD. Adam would have been 18 years old 3986 BC...

[postroad]

You can reconcile these two verses by realizing God will use evil for good.

In other words, Satan and Israel were being evil, so in response God called David to take a census to counter Satan's wiles.

Elementary dear Watson. You can see how it doesn't do you much good to read the Bible with your flesh; only by the Spirit of God in the spirit of a believer does it make sense.

Your response does not make any sense??

What evil did Israel and Satan engage in??

What good came about??

[lvdyou]

Your response does not make any sense??

Why not?

What evil did Israel and Satan engage in??

Rebelling against God's laws and generally practicing evil acts as like people today behave.

What good came about??

Accountability and reward to those tribes that were faithful, having a greater portion. For example, Jesus came from the tribe of Judah.