Who created God

[Donray]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

[AquinasD]

There is nothing in Aquinas's Summa Theologica that prevents a god creating other gods.

And this is why you should actually give this topic real study. You just sound silly.

If you have something concrete from Aquninas that would prevent this please tell be the where this can be found in his work.

Well, most arguments are worried with getting directly to the "bottom-most" God if there were a hypothetical string of gods-creating-gods, and this God would be uncreated, voiding the infinite regress. Your concern about gods-creating-gods is completely irrelevant.

The other book you give discusses Jesus and that is another issue and has nothing to do with how/what created God.

I think the point you're missing is that God was not created. Answering how God was created would be senseless; it'd be like explaining how a triangle can be a circle. If you understand the concepts involved, it follows you understand why a triangle cannot be a circle, and likewise, why God cannot have been created.

[Goat]

I think the point you're missing is that God was not created. Answering how God was created would be senseless; it'd be like explaining how a triangle can be a circle. If you understand the concepts involved, it follows you understand why a triangle cannot be a circle, and likewise, why God cannot have been created.

That is the claim from theists. I think it is the opposite way around.. God was created.. as a concept by man.

I don't see evidence aside from word games and philosophical musing that the universe was created though.

[Donray]

There is nothing in Aquinas's Summa Theologica that prevents a god creating other gods.

And this is why you should actually give this topic real study. You just sound silly.

If you have something concrete from Aquninas that would prevent this please tell be the where this can be found in his work.

Well, most arguments are worried with getting directly to the "bottom-most" God if there were a hypothetical string of gods-creating-gods, and this God would be uncreated, voiding the infinite regress. Your concern about gods-creating-gods is completely irrelevant.

The other book you give discusses Jesus and that is another issue and has nothing to do with how/what created God.

I think the point you're missing is that God was not created. Answering how God was created would be senseless; it'd be like explaining how a triangle can be a circle. If you understand the concepts involved, it follows you understand why a triangle cannot be a circle, and likewise, why God cannot have been created.

Do you realize how silly your augment is that a supreme GOD could not have created the God of the bible and gave him the energy to create this universe?

You have zero proof that this could not be the case.

Why don't you present some logic that would have prevented this?

You have this silly thing where you think because you say so it is true something is true. Now prove that there is not a supreme GOD that created all other gods where each god was put in charge of a universe.

[Filthy Tugboat]

Who created God?

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

I also understand that God is perfect.

Given these facts, who or what created God?

You concept is too human to understand God while this is actually answered in the Bible. He's the Alpha and He's the Omega.

Pray tell, is there a concept that is not "human" that you would offer to help us understand God?

The Bible's explanation is, in my opinion, irrelevant to a discussion of God unless you care to demonstrate otherwise.

I didn't even know it was a he let alone the alpha and the omega. I don't even know what the alpha and the omega are so this explanation really didn't help at all.

Let me put it this way to make it easier for you (or any human skull) to understand.

It's funny, this reads almost as if you think no human skull can understand this yet you seem to be able to explain it? Do you think you understand? Is your skull not human?

Tell me since when God doesn't exist, then I will tell how He's created! Got that? If you can't tell when He's not existed, then it means He doesn't need to be created!

Or God is nothing more than a concept and never has existed as anything other than a concept. Either way, you dodged the question and asked a question that has no real meaning. Which God/s? Through what method can a God be created? If you know how he's created, why will you not just tell us? Or were you just lying when you said you would tell us how God was created?

[AquinasD]

Do you realize how silly your augment is that a supreme GOD could not have created the God of the bible and gave him the energy to create this universe?

Could that be the case? Perhaps. But I was never arguing against that. Though a central doctrine of Christianity is the "Yahweh of the Bible" and "God" are the same being. Were a Christian to attempt any demonstration to you that "God exists," they would work at demonstrating to you that God, aka God, exists, and let that stand as demonstration of God's existence.

If you were to ask for demonstration that "Yahweh of the Bible exists," then brooking a demonstration of God's existence would be an argument of the truth of Judaeo-Christian revelation.

In all strictest terms, no Christian is going to give time to demonstrating that God didn't just create some supernatural beings who then each were given power over a universe. Fine, that could be the case; but Christianity teaches that God is Yahweh, and visa versa, rather than Yahweh being some subordinate being. After all, in the Old and New Testament it is repeatedly asserted that "I AM THAT I AM" or the like that bespeaks of God, not some created being.

Do you see my point, or do you wish to move the goalposts again?

[arian]

Who created God?

Which one? There are millions of created gods.

Now if you ask who created 'Bible-God', I can prove from the Bible that He cannot be created, and by pointing to His creation (everything you see) I can prove He created it all. ... unless you claim you did it? Or Einstein, or Hawking or...

The intelligent design folks point to the fact that the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God.

No we don't believe that "the universe is perfect universe and therefore must have been created by God." If you can create a better universe than God, yours will be the prefect one.

Your ignorance of Christian-God does not mean that Christians are ignorant.

Let's look at 'perfect', shall we? Let's take a leaf from an Oak Tree and see if it is 'perfect'? What 'standard' would you use for this?

The other leafs on that same tree?

Or the leaves from other trees?

I also understand that God is perfect.

Sure, until a better God appears, then what will you say?
Which of the thousands of 'theistic' God or gods are you talking about man?

Given these facts, who or what created God?

Do YOU believe these are 'facts'? Where did you get these 'facts'? Surely not the Bible, for the Bible cannot be used as 'proof' or 'facts', so where did you learn of these facts about some God?

[McCulloch]

Who created God?

Which one? There are millions of created gods.

Now if you ask who created 'Bible-God', I can prove from the Bible that He cannot be created, and by pointing to His creation (everything you see) I can prove He created it all.

And a Muslim can prove from the Qu'ran that Allah created it all.

[arian]

Who created God?

Which one? There are millions of created gods.

Now if you ask who created 'Bible-God', I can prove from the Bible that He cannot be created, and by pointing to His creation (everything you see) I can prove He created it all.

And a Muslim can prove from the Qu'ran that Allah created it all.

Yes, in that case they are refering to Bible-God, the God of Abraham, ... then they drift off like the big-bang theory and the triune-gods of trinity.

Just as we have to be careful about what math-book we teach out kids out of, there is only one proven Book on Gods Creation, the Bible evidenced with everything you see, including yourself. You my friend are the greatest proof of God, even forgetting you were created, you think you ARE God.

[100%atheist]

Who created God?

Which one? There are millions of created gods.

Now if you ask who created 'Bible-God', I can prove from the Bible that He cannot be created, and by pointing to His creation (everything you see) I can prove He created it all.

And a Muslim can prove from the Qu'ran that Allah created it all.

Yes, in that case they are refering to Bible-God, the God of Abraham, ... then they drift off like the big-bang theory and the triune-gods of trinity.

Just as we have to be careful about what math-book we teach out kids out of, there is only one proven Book on Gods Creation, the Bible evidenced with everything you see, including yourself. You my friend are the greatest proof of God, even forgetting you were created, you think you ARE God.

Actually, you don't need to be especially careful about selecting a math book. All math books in all countries follow the similar math notation and approach and, that's even more important, teach that 2 + 2 is always 4, no matter what you believe.

As to your statement that the Bible is self-evident due to circular logic adopted by many Christians, I am glad that you admit it. Also, if we change "the Bible" word in your post with "the Qu'ran" word, then we will get what we should expect to hear from a Muslim. I think that you should put your religions to one true test that will certainly should establish which book is the most proven and right book in the entire universe.

[arian]

Who created God?

Which one? There are millions of created gods.

Now if you ask who created 'Bible-God', I can prove from the Bible that He cannot be created, and by pointing to His creation (everything you see) I can prove He created it all.

And a Muslim can prove from the Qu'ran that Allah created it all.

Yes, in that case they are referring to Bible-God, the God of Abraham, ... then they drift off like the big-bang theory and the triune-gods of trinity.

Just as we have to be careful about what math-book we teach out kids out of, there is only one proven Book on Gods Creation, the Bible evidenced with everything you see, including yourself. You my friend are the greatest proof of God, even forgetting you were created, you think you ARE God.

Actually, you don't need to be especially careful about selecting a math book. All math books in all countries follow the similar math notation and approach and, that's even more important, teach that 2 + 2 is always 4, no matter what you believe.

And tell me if that is not comforting? It is so nice to know that everyone, the entire world agrees on mathematics. We do have 'absolute truth' then don't we?

I machined jet engine parts for many years, and was an inspector for a while, and it was nice to get a part from a fellow machinist that has + or - .0002 tolerance, and after me checking it, to have it fall into those tolerances. Especially I appreciate it when I was flying to the Philippines on that 16 hour non stop trip across the Pacific.

But I can also tell you that we always push those absolutes, especially in machining.

"Why it's only out by .0001, come on and pass the inspection already! Stamp the damn thing!" .. and so on. And you know what? I could. It seems so small of a fraction, only one tenths of a thousanths of an inch, I could just put that it is within the tolerance and stamp it. But no, I KNOW we cannot deviate from the tolerance. (my hair diameter thickness is .0032 inches, and I have thinning hair) so what is a .0001 lie, really? You can't see it, only with very special equipment under controlled temperatures. Do you know how hot that part will get once inside that engine? Heat expands, and yet I would not let even that little pass.

Look at it this way, there are an estimated 10,000 books written every day in this world. How many of those are of God of the Bible?
Find me ONE that teaches about God aside of theism, or that God is a Deity, just ONE. I don't care about the new ones coming out, find me one book EVER written (other than the Bible) that does not name the Bible-God a Deity?

Well my friend, I have not found one yet, so that means that the Bible is the sole authority on our Creator God.

Would you send your kids to a school where they interpret the math books completely different than what it teaches?

The Book specifically says 2+2=4, and yet the teacher uses some doctrine his friend made up that says 2+2= 6. His next years teacher teaches yet another theory/doctrine where 2+2=13. Won't you step up and say; "Stop! we cannot interpret the absolutes of mathematics any way we please. It doesn't work that way!"

What if after about 1,800 years of this, where people would have written thousands upon thousands of books interpreting math thousands of ways; 1+1=1,895 and other crazy numbers and interpretations with them. You would Try to at least point to the original book, the only one that survived with very little variation, the real importance of sticking with the absolute truth regarding mathematics? What if by now, even dictionaries and Encyclopedias explain it wrong?

What would you do my friend?
Yell: "Listen people, you are getting all these wrong answers and all these problems in everything you make, which in turn effects your very lives because you have deviated from the absolute truth on mathematics! Go back to the original Book, re learn the basics and you will SEE that your problems will be solved!"

But you know what, they will ignore you as if you were crazy or something. They will tell you: "Oh, that is your interpretation, and this is ours. What makes 'your interpretation' better than the thousands we have and had over the 1,800 years?"

See what I mean?

Theism does not include our God of the Bible, and neither is our God a Deity who reveals His will through some divinations. Our God is NOT plural, nor three different persons in one. Just like in math, 1+1+1=3 and NOT 1. But try to teach that to the indoctrinated minds.

As to your statement that the Bible is self-evident due to circular logic adopted by many Christians, I am glad that you admit it. Also, if we change "the Bible" word in your post with "the Qu'ran" word, then we will get what we should expect to hear from a Muslim. I think that you should put your religions to one true test that will certainly should establish which book is the most proven and right book in the entire universe.

I have, and will continue to do so as long as God gives me breath. Just as an inspector I did not allow .0001 of an inch get by me, I sure as hell will not let bald faced lies about who our Creator is get past me. 1+1+1= NOT 1, period.

Give me a problem, philosophical, personal or theological and I will give you the answer from the Bible.

Now remember that just as in mathematics, when we get into physics measuring radiation particles, wave lenghts of light and such, it gets very difficult to understand, but we can know if the person is correct or not, if he always gets the same answer, even if he's the only one who understands it for now. Einstein was alone on many of his theorems for many years.

So by all means, ask me anything and I will try my best to answer it through Gods Word. I'm sure if you don't, then by all means McCulloch will catch me of I'm making it up or not.

Then, well ask those of different persuasion to answer the same questions and see if it is an accepted one or not. They must also show how and from what source they derived at their conclusion. Fair enough?