Are the Jews Israel?

[christian1488]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

[Goat]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 11:

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

Listen to the Jewish guy.

"Chosen" doesn't always mean "Oh heck yeah!"

I can't escape thinking some Christians argue about Jews being "chosen" (for favor) out of that oft referenced "Christian persecution complex". This is not a slam against those who simply ask the question.

Considering what all has happened to the Jews, one'd be about the least "chosen" (for favor) to sit there and decide to become one, much less to keep at it.

[christian1488]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)

[christian1488]

From Post 11:

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

Listen to the Jewish guy.

"Chosen" doesn't always mean "Oh heck yeah!"

I can't escape thinking some Christians argue about Jews being "chosen" (for favor) out of that oft referenced "Christian persecution complex". This is not a slam against those who simply ask the question.

Considering what all has happened to the Jews, one'd be about the least "chosen" (for favor) to sit there and decide to become one, much less to keep at it.

What has happened to the Jews ?

[Malachi-Zede-El]

Israel is a modern state; many argue it is a Jewish State.
The term "Jews" refers to anyone who is of Jewish descent or practices Judaism.
There are many Jews in Israel and around the world.

What exactly is the question here?

What does the word Israel have do with the word jew ?

[Goat]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)

As far as I can see, the 'Marks of Israel' have nothing to do with the Jewish faith, it seems to be some key words that are used by antisemitic web sites. So, from a Jewish perspective, that is meaningless.


As far as the word 'Jew' is not in the Pentateuch , so what?

[james.hoggatt]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)

If I'm not painfully mistaken, the term Jew comes from the evolution from the base word Judah that references one of the regions given to the tribes and later a major part of the ancient kingdom. You would not have heard something like "jew" until Juedim, which was a member of the tribe of Judah. The obsession with familial lines probably propagated the evolution into Judah, b/c most major kings were drawn from Judah.

The people of the modern state of Israel are as much the ancient Israelis as the woman at the bus stop is Marie Antoinette. She may insist she is, she may tell me I should eat cake, and it may be true she's lost her head, but a queen she is not.

[christian1488]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)

As far as I can see, the 'Marks of Israel' have nothing to do with the Jewish faith, it seems to be some key words that are used by antisemitic web sites. So, from a Jewish perspective, that is meaningless.


As far as the word 'Jew' is not in the Pentateuch , so what?

Well,how can the Jews state they are God's chosen people if ''Jew'' is not even in the torah? How can they make that claim?

As for the Marks of Israel;the marks Israel was to fulfill?

How can the Jews be the chosen of God if they do not fulfill anything in the Bible?

[christian1488]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)

As far as I can see, the 'Marks of Israel' have nothing to do with the Jewish faith, it seems to be some key words that are used by antisemitic web sites. So, from a Jewish perspective, that is meaningless.


As far as the word 'Jew' is not in the Pentateuch , so what?

How strange it is, that with all the definite and positive assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's continuance forever as a Nation, there has never been any continued or persistent effort on the part of genuine Bible believers to find them. That they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.

There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM. While the Jews (some of whom are only a part of the Rouse of Judah) occupied the stage, and even called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his predetermined work, and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only as Israel's time of punishment had run out, with the whole of God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the identity of Israel to become known.

However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed "marks" on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation, Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can discover the nations and people with Israel's marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are very many, and while the following list is not exhaustive, they constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.

One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations within this race may have only a portion of them, but the race as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the birthright nation) was the recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh (U.S.A.) will be found possessing them all.

While Israelites remain in other countries, America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one out of many) and thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound by Israel's responsibilities; fulfilling Israel's destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE: - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.

9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.

10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.

11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.

12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.

13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.

15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.

17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.

18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.

19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.

20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.

22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.

23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.

26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.

27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.

29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.

31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.

32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.

34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.

35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.

37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.

38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.

40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.

"YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,

YE RANSOMED OF THE FALL,

HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,

AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL."

The End

[Goat]

Are the Jews Israel?

Simple question,any answers?

That is not a simple question.
Please rephrase.

I did...

QUESTION

Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?

This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.

How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)

As far as I can see, the 'Marks of Israel' have nothing to do with the Jewish faith, it seems to be some key words that are used by antisemitic web sites. So, from a Jewish perspective, that is meaningless.


As far as the word 'Jew' is not in the Pentateuch , so what?

Well,how can the Jews state they are God's chosen people if ''Jew'' is not even in the torah? How can they make that claim?

Obviously you did not read what I wrote... so your question is invalid.

You seem to be making an equivocation of the word "Jew" , a dishonest tactic.

As for the Marks of Israel;the marks Israel was to fulfill?

nd, as for the 'Marks of Israel", that is not part of the Jewish religion. That seems to be the invention of Eli James, a white supremacist. Do you really want to associate your questions from someone like that?

As such, that question is totally irrelevant, since it has no meaning with what the Jewish faith teaches

How can the Jews be the chosen of God if they do not fulfill anything in the Bible?

That, of course, is a nonsensical question. You are assuming that 'chosen' and 'fullfill anything in the bible' are required, when you have not shown that you understand what the Jewish concept of 'Chosen' is. As a matter of fact, you ignored what was written.

Do you want to actually ask a relevant question?