Anglo-Israelism.

[McCulloch]

For debate:

1. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?
2. Are there any linguistic links between the Hebrew language and English, Welsh, Cornish or Manx?
3. Could the British Royal Family be directly descended from the line of King David?
4. Is it possible that the Stone of Jacob (Genesis 28:18) is the Stone of Scone, used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, later British monarchs? Do the British Empire and the American republic feature in Jewish or Christian prophetic literature?
5. Is mixed-race marriage a sin?

[Malachi-Zede-El]

Abraham make Eliezer < Shawbah - Swear > By Yahuwa Elohe , And make not that in Genesis 24 ; 3 , Where It States ; And I ( Will Make ) thee ( Swear ) by the ( Lord ) , the ( God ) of ( Heavens ) , and the ( God ) of the ( Earth ) that thou shalt not take a ( Wife ) unto my son of the daughters of the ( Canaanites ) among who I dwell . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible ? >

They use the word < Eloh - aramic > in the single , Not < Eloheem - aramic > Abraham told Eliezer that he is not to let his son marry A Canaanite . It gose thus ; Genesis 24 ; 3 , His descendants were also warned not to mix with The Tribes Of Cananites as in Genesis 28 ; 2 , Where It States ; And Isaac called Jacob and blessed him , and Charged him , and said unto him , Thou shalt not take a Wife of the daughters of ( Canaan ) . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible ? >

Where Isaac tells Jacob of Canaan , But go to Laban's house , And marry his daughter who are of his family by Rebecca, His mother , This knowldge was being passed down through Generation from Father to Son . And this was an important Commandment given by Yahuwa .
Genealogy was extremely Sacred Genesis 2 ; 4 , Where It States ; These are the Generations of the heaven and the earth when they were created in the Day that the Lord God made the earth and the heaven . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible ? >

It linked his Seed in with The Heavens , They were not to marry The Canaanites because of the < Tswrabath - arabic - Leprous Disease > ,They were < Nebgah -aramic - Plagued with which was later recorded in Leviticus 14 ; 32 - 57 , ( Also refer to Leviticus chapter 13 , 14 , From Genesis 9 ; 25 , Where It States ; And he said Cursed be Canaan ; a servant of Servant shall he be unto his brethren . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible ? >

The Tribes Of Cananites The Cursed of Canaan Genesis 10 ; 15-19 .

[McCulloch]

The Jewish Tanakh asserts that their God instructed their ancestor and his descendants not to marry into one particular tribe, therefore all mixed race marriages are wrong. Is that the reasoning you are presenting?

[Malachi-Zede-El]

The Jewish Tanakh asserts that their God instructed their ancestor and his descendants not to marry into one particular tribe, therefore all mixed race marriages are wrong. Is that the reasoning you are presenting?

It's not what I'm saying it what the Scriptures are saying according to those Scriptures / Verse Right . Lololololol

[dianaiad]

For debate:

1. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?

Probably not. I mean, if there were, they would no longer be 'lost,' would they?

[*]Are there any linguistic links between the Hebrew language and English, Welsh, Cornish or Manx?

OK, there I can help.

Modern Hebrew is a 'resurrected' language, from the ancient Hebrew that, until the late 1880's was strictly a liturgical language, like Latin. Ancient Hebrew is the direct descendent of Proto-Semetic through "West Proto-Canannite" and Phoenician. Archaic Greek seems to have split from this direct line somewhere between West Proto-Canannite and Phoenician, and ancient Greek and Latin come from there. It is, indeed, at that point that the Proto-Indo-European class of languages came into being. THAT language tree sprouted the Hellenic, Celtic, Tocharian, Anatolian, Germanic and Italic groups. Welsh and Cornish came from the Brythonic branch of the Celtic group, and Manx and Gaelic (both Scots and Irish) if from the Goidelic branch of the Celtic group.

English...well, that's a problem.

Old English is solidly Germanic, through the West Germanic line. Old English became the modern English we speak with the intermingling of the Normans...old French--from the Italic line. As the church became more and more influential over the Old English speakers, the Italic grammar rules kept being forced upon this very different Creolicized pair of languages; hence the rule about splitting infinitives, for instance.

So there is a connection, but the language trees actually split off about two steps before Hebrew became 'Hebrew."

there. That should clear everything up, right?

[*]Could the British Royal Family be directly descended from the line of King David?

Well, shoot, THEY want to think so. But all those royal families have interestingly forged genealogies. It's a family joke for us...because one of my own genealogical lines ties into William the Conquerors bastard cousin, I can say that I can trace my line back to Adam. Why not? William can.

[*]Is it possible that the Stone of Jacob (Genesis 28:18) is the Stone of Scone, used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, later British monarchs?

Anything is possible, I suppose. Including miniature black holes that power smart phones.

Do the British Empire and the American republic feature in Jewish or Christian prophetic literature?

dunno. American history features in LDS prophetic liturature, but I don't think you would consider that to "count."

[*]Is mixed-race marriage a sin? [/list]

er, no? That last was a bit of a left field thing.....

[christian1488]

For debate:

1. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?
2. Are there any linguistic links between the Hebrew language and English, Welsh, Cornish or Manx?
3. Could the British Royal Family be directly descended from the line of King David?
4. Is it possible that the Stone of Jacob (Genesis 28:18) is the Stone of Scone, used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, later British monarchs? Do the British Empire and the American republic feature in Jewish or Christian prophetic literature?
5. Is mixed-race marriage a sin?

Yes.

The 1905 JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 21, page 249 reads: "If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, they must exist UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME." Again, they must be a people NOT called "Jews."

Only White Europeans fulfill the identification marks of Israel.

http://www.israelect.com/reference/JackMohr/JM050.htm - Read them through and see which one the Jews fulfill...

THE MIGRATION OF ISRAEL

Emry: As a minister, I know there is an abundance of prophesy concerning the destiny of Israel. But there is no Bible history of this portion of Israel referred to in 2 Kings 17:6- In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah, and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes.

So Bible history of this major part of Israel ends here. And yet the prophets and the New Testament promise an increase in numbers, great blessings, and an eventual restoration.

With the passing of 2,500 years since this Assyrian captivity, one might think that all' hope of tracing these Israelites is lost. Ray, can archeology answer this question?

Capt: Yes, Pastor Emry, it has. During the last hundred years a number of archeological teams have been working in the Middle East. They have unearthed and published the original contemporary accounts of the Assyrians, who took the Israelites captive. It is from these records that vital clues have come to light. In fact, these records are found in the form of cuneiform tablets. These tablets were found at Nineveh in 1900 and published in 1930. However, their relevance to Israel was overlooked then, because they were found in complete disorder and amongst about 1,400 other texts.

The tablets were Assyrian frontier post reports, dated about 707 B.C.. They describe the activities of the people called "Gamira," who lived in the land of "Gamir." The descriptions of Gamir described the area in which the Israelites had been placed just a few years earlier.

One tablet stated that when the king of Urartu came into the land of Gamir, his army was routed, as the Gamira counter-attacked, entered the land of Urartu, and killed their commanders.

Assyrian Captivities

In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. (2 Kings 17:6)

The first archaeological evidence to establish a chronological link in the contacts between Assyria and Israel are found on inscriptions on the side of a limestone stele found at Nimrud, known as the "Black Obelisk." The stone was inscribed with the records of Shalmaneser the third and an illustration of the Israelite king Jehu bringing tribute to the Assyrian king. An inscription above the illustration says:

"This is Jehu (Iaua), the son of Khumri (Omri)."

Omri in Hebrew begins with the consonant, "Agin," formerly called "Gayin" which was pronounced with a guttural "H," that is "Gh" or "Kh." The Israelites would have naturally pronounced Omri as "Ghomri" which became "Khumri" in Assyrian.

As this inscription was executed nearly a century before the captivity of Israel, we know now the reason secular historians found no mention of the exiled Israelites in ancient records. It was simply because the Assyrians who took the Israelites captive did not call them by that name. Historians are now aware of the fact that the Gamira were the same people, who, about 30 years later, during the reign of Esarhaddon, king of Assyria, again were called Gimira. (Notice the slight changes in spelling).

We find in another and later Assyrian tablet that in the second year of the reign of this same king, which would be about 679 B.C., the Gimira, under a leader named "Teuspa," sought freedom by moving north; but the Assyrain army pursued and defeated them in the upper Euphrates district. Nevertheless, they reported a large number of the lsraelites escaped to the shores of the Black Sea. The Greeks also recorded the same activity including an invasion of Sardis, the capital of Lydia, in 645 B.C. In their records they refer to the Gamira as "Kimmerioi," which we translate into English as "Cimmerian."

About 600 B.C. the Lydians drove the Gamira, or Cimmerians, out of Asia Minor, where they settled in the Carpathian regions west of the Black Sea. We find them called in the second book of Esdras, the people of Ar-Sareth (2 Esdras 13:40-44).

We now also know what happened to the larger body of Gamira or Israelites, that did not escape the Assyrians. They formed an alliance with Esarhaddon, the king, when he came under attack of the Medes and the Persians.

This treaty allowed the Israelites to establish colonies in Sacasene in the north and Bactria in the east. With absolutely no help from the Israelites, Assyria fell in 612 B.C. Soon the Israelites themselves came under attack by the Medes.

Now those that had settled in Sacasene moved north through the Dariel Pass into the steppe regions of south Russia. There they became known by the Greek name, "Scythians."

The Israelites that had settled in Bactria were forced north and east, and in the records of the Persians they were called Massagetae and Sakka.

Archeology has solved two of the greatest archeological problems: First, what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Israelites who disappeared south of the Caucasus; and second, what was the origin of the Cimmerians and the mysterious nomadic tribes, known as Scythians, who suddenly appeared north of the Caucasus - both at the same time in history. They were one and the same people. They were Israelites. Now may I point out what the Bible has to say concerning these same people:

"For lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth" (Amos 9:9).

Our history books pick up the story at this point, recording the westward migrations of the Scythians, as they came into collision with the Cimmerians, who had earlier settled west of the Black Sea. Their kinship lost over the centuries, the ensuing battles forced the Cimmerians west and north to become the Celts, Gauls, and Cimbri. By the end of the fourth century B.C., the Scythians had established themselves as the great and prosperous kingdom of Scythia.

Later, the Sarmatians, these were a mixed, non- Israelitish people of Iranian origin. They in turn drove the Scythians northwest to the shores of the Baltic Sea. At this time in history, we find the Romans introduced the name "Germans" in place of the name Scythians, in order not to confuse the Scythians with the Sarmatians, who now occupied Scythia. Germanus, being the Latin name for "genuine," indicates the Germans were the genuine Scythians.

During this time the Celts were expanding in all directions from central Europe. Some of the Celts invaded Italy and sacked Rome in 390 B.C. Another group moved back into Asia Minor, in 280 B.C., and the Greeks called them "Galatians," as they did another group of Celts that had settled in Gaul, or modern France. This also indicates that Paul's letters to the Galatians were written to his kinsmen Israelites, or at least descendants of the earlier Galatians.

Some of the Celts moved into Spain and became known as Iberes, the Gaelic name for "Hebrews." Others poured into Britain to form the bedrock of the British race. Later, the Iberes moved into Ireland as Scots, and later into Northern Britain to establish the nation of Scotland.

Your history books also record the Germanic tribes breaking up into many divisions - the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, and Vikings, to name just a few. Other Germanic tribes later poured into the lands vacated by the Celts and established the Gothic nations of the Vandals, Lombards, Franks, Burgundians, and others.

The so-called "lost tribes of Israel" really, were never lost. They only lost their identity as they migrated westward over the centuries from the land of their captivity.

(End of interview with Capt)




While with the Jews....

The JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, edition of 1925, Vol. 5, page 41, states "Edom is in modern Jewry."

How can the Jew be from Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom?

http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIs ... index.html - The Thirteenth Tribe - Arthur Koestler

This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism. Khazaria, a conglomerate of Aryan Turkish tribes, was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Han, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the craddle of Western (Ashkenazim) Jewry...


As for mixed race marriage,yes it is a sin.

http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIs ... vb-09.html - Seventh Commandment forbids race mixing

Not everyone descended from Adam...

Deuteronomy 7:6:For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Israel was chosen ABOVE ''all people that are upon the face of the earth.''

As for the British Royal Family...

http://www.hwacompendium.com/lineage.html - Adam to Queen Elizabeth 2 lineage

[christian1488]

For debate:

1. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?

Probably not. I mean, if there were, they would no longer be 'lost,' would they?

[*]Are there any linguistic links between the Hebrew language and English, Welsh, Cornish or Manx?

OK, there I can help.

Modern Hebrew is a 'resurrected' language, from the ancient Hebrew that, until the late 1880's was strictly a liturgical language, like Latin. Ancient Hebrew is the direct descendent of Proto-Semetic through "West Proto-Canannite" and Phoenician. Archaic Greek seems to have split from this direct line somewhere between West Proto-Canannite and Phoenician, and ancient Greek and Latin come from there. It is, indeed, at that point that the Proto-Indo-European class of languages came into being. THAT language tree sprouted the Hellenic, Celtic, Tocharian, Anatolian, Germanic and Italic groups. Welsh and Cornish came from the Brythonic branch of the Celtic group, and Manx and Gaelic (both Scots and Irish) if from the Goidelic branch of the Celtic group.

English...well, that's a problem.

Old English is solidly Germanic, through the West Germanic line. Old English became the modern English we speak with the intermingling of the Normans...old French--from the Italic line. As the church became more and more influential over the Old English speakers, the Italic grammar rules kept being forced upon this very different Creolicized pair of languages; hence the rule about splitting infinitives, for instance.

So there is a connection, but the language trees actually split off about two steps before Hebrew became 'Hebrew."

there. That should clear everything up, right?

[*]Could the British Royal Family be directly descended from the line of King David?

Well, shoot, THEY want to think so. But all those royal families have interestingly forged genealogies. It's a family joke for us...because one of my own genealogical lines ties into William the Conquerors bastard cousin, I can say that I can trace my line back to Adam. Why not? William can.

[*]Is it possible that the Stone of Jacob (Genesis 28:18) is the Stone of Scone, used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, later British monarchs?

Anything is possible, I suppose. Including miniature black holes that power smart phones.

Do the British Empire and the American republic feature in Jewish or Christian prophetic literature?

dunno. American history features in LDS prophetic liturature, but I don't think you would consider that to "count."

[*]Is mixed-race marriage a sin? [/list]

er, no? That last was a bit of a left field thing.....

Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17
Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

Matthew 15:24:But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luke 19:10:For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

[christian1488]

The Jewish Tanakh asserts that their God instructed their ancestor and his descendants not to marry into one particular tribe, therefore all mixed race marriages are wrong. Is that the reasoning you are presenting?

Exodus 34:14-16:14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.


Numbers 25:1-13:1And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.

2And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.

3And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.

4And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

5And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.

6And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

7And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;

8And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.

9And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

10And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

11Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.

12Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:

13And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4:3Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

4For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

Ezra 9:2:For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

Ezra 10:10-14:10And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.

11Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives.

12Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do.

13But the people are many, and it is a time of much rain, and we are not able to stand without, neither is this a work of one day or two: for we are many that have transgressed in this thing.

14Let now our rulers of all the congregation stand, and let all them which have taken strange wives in our cities come at appointed times, and with them the elders of every city, and the judges thereof, until the fierce wrath of our God for this matter be turned from us.

[Malachi-Zede-El]

The word '' Hebrew '' , In Aramic , Is the word Ibriy which comes from the root word Abar , Which means ; '' To Cross Over , To Pass Over '' . In the Aramic ( Hebrew ) language . In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) , The word 'Aabiyr , For '' Eber '' , Means '' The One Who Passes Over '' . It gets the same meaning as the tirle '' Hebrew '' - One Who Traverse and Ebra , Meaning '' To Traverse ; To Expound '' . '' Traversing '' As used in the person to whom the name was given first , Was Eber , Son of Salah , Son of Shem , Son of Noah , As found in Genesis 10 ; 21 . < Noah ( 2970 - 2020 B.C.E. ) Son Of Lamech And Kamilah ( Genesis 5 ; 29
, Shem ( 2470 - 1870 B.C.E. ) Son Of Noah And Namah ( Genesis 5 ; 32 ) ....

The name Eber , Also Abar , Ay -Ber and Heber , Means '' The Region Beyond '' , From this you get the derivative of Eber , Hebrew , To mean '' One Who Crossed From Beyond One Region To Another '' Or Simply '' To Cross Over '' ,

[Malachi-Zede-El]

According to Deuteronomy 15 ; 12 , In the Strong's Concordance the word '' Hebrew '' Ibriy is not the name of a tribe or a people . Hebrew is just a title for what Abraham and his people did . Not what they were . The word '' Hebrew '' Is merely describing an Act Of A People Or A Person ; Moving From One Side To Another , And could apply to people originally born on one side of The Mississippi River , And deciding to relocate to the other side of TheMississippi River
. In English they would be called '' Crossed Over '' . In the Canaanite language they would be called Hebrew , Which later was picked up and became their name . As you have seen , The name '' Hebrew '' Existed before Abraham with a man named Eber . People think that the word Hebrew stems from the word Hebron ( Genesis 13 ; 18 ) , The name of a place in the Hills of Judan South of Jerusalem where Sarah died ( Genesis 23 ; 2 ) . However , If you check it out in The Original Language , You see it does not .

Now Take A Look At The Word Ibriy . The First Letter Aiyn Is The Hard A Or I In Hebrew . The Root Of Ibriy Is Abar Meaning '' To Cross Over '' Whereas The Root Of '' Hebron '' Chebrown , Pronounced Khebronee ' Is Cheber Meaning '' A Society ; Also A Spell , Charmer , Enchantment '' . These Two Words Do Not Have The Same Root , Therefor , You Can See That They Are Not The Same Word , By Their Roots .


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