If the Christian God is just

[SomePunk]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

[Goat]

With an honest searching for Truth, I don't get lead to the conclusion that Jesus is the savior of all humanity. I don't even find the concept of 'Salvation' to be a true concept.

I think one of the difficult things to understand about Christianity is that we can't actually successfully find the truth on our own. The Truth finds us!! Jesus was pretty clear that He came into this world to "seek and save the lost". And anyone who comes to believe in him does so not our of their own initiative, but as a response to God, who reveals to us that Jesus is the Son of God.

So if you want to know the Truth, pray to God that he would reveal Him to you.

Well, that's a catch 22 now isn't it. If I believed in God, I would believe I have the truth already.

Since I don't believe in God, I can't pray to something I don't see is there to begin with.

Since that path to 'Truth' is therefore logically inaccessible to me, what can you do to show that You speak the truth, rather than make unsupported claims?

These aren't my claims! Jesus Christ said: I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." I was simply trying to pass on to you what I received from God, that truth is not a concept, it's a person. And I am no different than anybody else (ie. I am claiming to have some type of esoteric knowledge or insight here). So what was accessible for me is certainly going to be just as accessible for you.

Well, can you demonstrate to me that the books the claim this are true and accurate? You are the one that brought this up. Show me evidence that this book is true.

[spayne]

With an honest searching for Truth, I don't get lead to the conclusion that Jesus is the savior of all humanity. I don't even find the concept of 'Salvation' to be a true concept.

I think one of the difficult things to understand about Christianity is that we can't actually successfully find the truth on our own. The Truth finds us!! Jesus was pretty clear that He came into this world to "seek and save the lost". And anyone who comes to believe in him does so not our of their own initiative, but as a response to God, who reveals to us that Jesus is the Son of God.

So if you want to know the Truth, pray to God that he would reveal Him to you.

Well, that's a catch 22 now isn't it. If I believed in God, I would believe I have the truth already.

Since I don't believe in God, I can't pray to something I don't see is there to begin with.

Since that path to 'Truth' is therefore logically inaccessible to me, what can you do to show that You speak the truth, rather than make unsupported claims?

These aren't my claims! Jesus Christ said: I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." I was simply trying to pass on to you what I received from God, that truth is not a concept, it's a person. And I am no different than anybody else (ie. I am claiming to have some type of esoteric knowledge or insight here). So what was accessible for me is certainly going to be just as accessible for you.

Well, can you demonstrate to me that the books the claim this are true and accurate? You are the one that brought this up. Show me evidence that this book is true.

There is plenty of evidence that the Bible is true, but the central issue is not the book itself, it's the protaganist of the story. At the end of the Gospel of John it says: "These things are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing, you may have life in His name." Ultimately each person has to decide for his/her self who Jesus is. And from my experience of talking to other believers, people rarely come to faith by being convinced intellectually. They almost always do so because they find life in His name.

[Goat]

There is plenty of evidence that the Bible is true, but the central issue is not the book itself, it's the protaganist of the story. At the end of the Gospel of John it says: "These things are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing, you may have life in His name." Ultimately each person has to decide for his/her self who Jesus is. And from my experience of talking to other believers, people rarely come to faith by being convinced intellectually. They almost always do so because they find life in His name.

The bible is true because the bible says it's true?? How do you know that is true?

I have read the Bible, both the Jewish scriptures and the New Testement, and I do not see any evidence that the metaphysical and supernatural claims of the bible are true.

You are make unsupported claim after unsupported claim. Care to show HOW the bible shows itself to be true? I mean, what you are quoting sounds like a piece of propaganda to me, and is nothing more than "believe me because I say so"

[Angel]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

According to Christian Scriptures, you are not right. You are assuming that what's 'just' is based on your standards, when in this case it would be based on God's (or as described in the Bible) standards. The New Testament is clear here. You have to believe (which requires more than just accepting that a God exists) to be considered righteous. This is one of the greatest commandments.

[spayne]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

According to Christian Scriptures, you are not right. You are assuming that what's 'just' is based on your standards, when in this case it would be based on God's (or as described in the Bible) standards. The New Testament is clear here. You have to believe (which requires more than just accepting that a God exists) to be considered righteous. This is one of the greatest commandments.

As Paul so elooquently stated in the Book of Romans:

But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.

[spayne]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

According to Christian Scriptures, you are not right. You are assuming that what's 'just' is based on your standards, when in this case it would be based on God's (or as described in the Bible) standards. The New Testament is clear here. You have to believe (which requires more than just accepting that a God exists) to be considered righteous. This is one of the greatest commandments.

As Paul so eloquently described in the Book of Romans:

But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.

[Zetesis Apistia]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

There is one stipulation. You have to ask him to forgive you. Isn't that how you get people to forgive you? We have not because we ask not. Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

[Goat]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

There is one stipulation. You have to ask him to forgive you. Isn't that how you get people to forgive you? We have not because we ask not. Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

Can you ask Santa Claus for forgiveness?? How can you ask forgiveness from an entity that you don't believe exists, and for which there is no evidence for?

[spayne]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

There is one stipulation. You have to ask him to forgive you. Isn't that how you get people to forgive you? We have not because we ask not. Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

Can you ask Santa Claus for forgiveness?? How can you ask forgiveness from an entity that you don't believe exists, and for which there is no evidence for?

Correction: not "for which there is no evidence", but "for which you yourself see no evidence." Just because you don't see the evidence doesn't mean other people don't. I myself see evidence of God everywhere. And I think most Christians feel the same.

[Zetesis Apistia]

Then that means the Christian God forgives people for not believing in him or her or it.

So no one has to believe in god or follow any one religion to be saved and that means no one needs a savior. Which means religion isnt needed because it doesnt serve a purpose.

Am I right?

There is one stipulation. You have to ask him to forgive you. Isn't that how you get people to forgive you? We have not because we ask not. Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

Can you ask Santa Claus for forgiveness?? How can you ask forgiveness from an entity that you don't believe exists, and for which there is no evidence for?

Atheists climb mountains for years only to reach the top and find that theologians have been sitting there for centuries. Should science stop searching for cancer cures simply because they have no evidence that they currently exist?