War against Women

[MyReality]

So lately the media and internet have been overwhelmed with recent legislations that are sadly passing into law that can be said to go against womens rights. Especially in Arizona where Jan Brewer is (CRAZY!) extreme on determining the sexual practices of women in the state. I will post laws passing only from the beginning of 2012 otherwise their would be to much to talk about. Mainly from Arizona.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/12/j ... M6Y.reddit

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Signs Legislation Permitting Employers to Interrogate Female Employees About Contraception Use

Arizona Bans Funding to Planned Parenthood
PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill to cut off Planned Parenthood's access to taxpayer money funneled through the state for non-abortion services.
Arizona already bars use of public money for abortions except to save the life of the mother. But anti-abortion legislators and other supporters of the bill say the broader prohibition is needed to ensure no public money indirectly supports abortion services.
Planned Parenthood Arizona claims a funding ban would interrupt its preventive health care and family planning services for nearly 20,000 women served by the organization's clinics. The organization says it will consider a legal challenge.
The measure targeting funding for Planned Parenthood for non-abortion services was one of several approved by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature related to contentious reproductive health care issues this session.
PHOENIX (AP) – Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill to cut off Planned Parenthood's access to taxpayer money funneled through the state for non-abortion services.
Planned Parenthood Arizona claims a funding ban would interrupt its preventive health care and family planning services for nearly 20,000 women served by the organization's clinics. The organization says it will consider a legal challenge.


The measure targeting funding for Planned Parenthood for non-abortion services was one of several approved by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature related to contentious reproductive health care issues this session

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 ... 15715.html

Arizona Abortion Bill: Legislators Pass Three Bills, Including One That Redefines When Life Begins


Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.
The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.

The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.

The third bill requires that schools teach students that adoption and birth are the most acceptable outcomes for an unwanted pregnancy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/1 ... 44557.html

Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.

Arizona is a right to work state, which makes it all the scarier.

Jan Brewers reasoning behind these bands are on religious grounds, which can be read in the sites above.

In Virginia:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/vi ... wanted=all

Gov. Bob McDonnell demanded the revisions last week, and their acceptance on Tuesday all but assured the state’s adoption of the ultrasound requirement. The original bill set off protests from women’s groups and others. Some critics called it “state rape,� and the plan was mocked on television comedy shows.

In Alabama, the sponsor of a bill to strengthen an existing ultrasound requirement said on Monday that he would seek a revision softening the bill. The existing bill mandates that the screen must face the pregnant woman and requires use of the scanning method that provides the clearest image — which would mean vaginal ultrasounds in most cases.

As a result, the bills under active consideration in several states, including Pennsylvania and Mississippi, require detailed fetal images that would in practice require many patients to have vaginal ultrasounds.

Such a requirement has been in effect since early this month in Texas with little of the outcry seen in Virginia. Similar laws adopted in Oklahoma and North Carolina are now blocked by federal court order until their constitutionality is determined.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/03 ... tock-bill/

The bill as first proposed outlawed all abortions after 20 weeks under all circumstances. After negotiations with the Senate, the House passed a revised HB 954 that makes an exemption for “medically futile� pregnancies or those in which the woman’s life or health is threatened.

If this makes its seem like Rep. England and the rest of the representatives looked beyond their cows and pigs and recognized women as capable, full-thinking human beings, think again: HB 954 excludes a woman’s “emotional or mental condition,� which means women suffering from mental illness would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. It also ignores pregnant women who are suicidal and driven to inflict harm on themselves because of their unwanted pregnancy.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/04 ... -murdered/

House Bill 3517 [PDF], the so-called “embryo bill,� allows prosecutors to levy charges of assault or murder if an embryo is harmed or killed. The bill excludes consensual “medical or surgical procedures,� although it removes existing language that would specifically exempt “abortion.� Given Tennessee’s long history of fetal rights legislation, the bill raises some speculation as to whether the “embryo bill� is a step toward declaring “fetal personhood.�

The “embryo bill� expands on two previous laws. The first allowed a murder or assault charge for harm to a “viable� fetus, defined as one 32 weeks or older, which has been the precedent in Tennessee since 1989. The second, passed in 2011, removed the word “viable� to cover a fetus at any age.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legis ... challenge/

The Texas law is more strict: It requires women to have a sonogram at least 24 hours ahead of an abortion, and the doctor to play the heartbeat aloud, describe the fetus, and show the woman the image, unless she chooses not to view it. Although the Texas law doesn’t specify what kind of ultrasound — belly or transvaginal — abortion providers say they almost always must use the transvaginal probe to pick up the heartbeat and describe the fetus at the early stage of pregnancy when most women seek abortions.

http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/04/24/ ... t-pay.html

SC health plan would not pay for abortions involving rape, incest under new proposal

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/04 ... in-danger/

On the final day to review general bills, the Mississippi Senate Public Health Committee passed HB 1390, which requires doctors performing abortions to be board-certified OB-GYNs with hospital admitting privileges. Although it sounds reasonable, HB 1390 is another affront to women’s reproductive rights when you factor in the already meager resources available to the women of Mississippi.

ITS ONLY BEEN 5 MONTHS! What the hell is going on? I know that the forums have been saturated lately with abortion threads but im going to make this a new one with all the above material for the use of Pro-Choicers and Pro-Lifers. I think every single one of these is going wayyyyyyy to far. Who here can argue the justification to keep this trend going? How far do you think it will go before we start going back even further in time when it comes to womens rights?

[100%atheist]

Not saying he isn't, but the point of the article is did he lie about that up until 2007 for political considerations?

Maybe because he wasn't born in Kenya? Can you give your President just a tiny chance that he is not lying?

Why did he tolerate that error up until 2007?

Tolerate? What is the importance of fixing mistakes like that? There can be many, time is limited, why bother?

Okay, let's try.
Birthers movement wants to control not just vaginal future, but also vaginal history.
"Who controls the past, controls the future"

I find it ironic that neo-conservatives are riding high the freedom horse when they propose to move the country all the way to the right, it is where fascism is.

The OP contention is false, there is no war on women, unless you count how the Kennedys and John Edwards treat women.

Why? Would it be correct to say then that anything less than slavery is not racism?

I predict there will be a good number of new, conservative women elected to Congress this year. The views you describe were our Founders, not fascist. Here are a few from Thomas Jefferson:

"I sincerely believe....that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it."

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."

Huh? And how is it specifically about women? Also, since slaves were used in those times and slavery was not demolished by the Founding Fathers, should slavery be reestablished in order to follow in the footsteps of the Founding Fathers.

Also, Founding Fathers = Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin. I just recall this from the USSR times. Often reference to such figures may indicate a motion toward totalitarianism.

Kind of takes away the whole point of the Democratic Party, doesn't it? They seem to be about nothing but class warfare, race, and sex.

Sure, they are. (I am not a Democrat, btw). It seems to me however that the GOP is not even about those. It's really about nothing more than keeping as much power as possible.

The Founders would have nothing but contempt for Obama and his misguided fanboys.

Who cares, they are all dead anyway. But again, I can't see how most of what you posted is related to women.... ???

[Quath]

So Gov. Brewer and all the women who voted for her don't know their own interest just because they don't drink the liberal kool-aid?

I would say it is because they ARE drinking the conservative kool-aid. (In the analogy, the kool-aid does harm.)

Most Americans support reasonable abortion restrictions, if that's what you're referring to. We have about the most liberal abortion laws in the world, sad to say.

I think some of these links show that this right is being eroded.

Here is a quote form Bubba Carpenter, a state representative from Mississippi:

We have literally stopped abortion in the state of Mississippi. Three blocks from the Capitol sits the only abortion clinic in the state of Mississippi. A bill was drafted. It said, if you would perform an abortion in the state of Mississippi, you must be a certified OB/GYN and you must have admitting privileges to a hospital. Anybody here in the medical field knows how hard it is to get admitting privileges to a hospital…

It’s going to be challenged, of course, in the Supreme Court and all — but literally, we stopped abortion in the state of Mississippi, legally, without having to– Roe vs. Wade. So we’ve done that. I was proud of it. The governor signed it into law. And of course, there you have the other side. They’re like, ‘Well, the poor pitiful women that can’t afford to go out of state are just going to start doing them at home with a coat hanger.’ That’s what we’ve heard over and over and over.

They are trying to push back abortion to the times of coat hangers.

[East of Eden]

So Gov. Brewer and all the women who voted for her don't know their own interest just because they don't drink the liberal kool-aid?

I would say it is because they ARE drinking the conservative kool-aid. (In the analogy, the kool-aid does harm.)

Most Americans support reasonable abortion restrictions, if that's what you're referring to. We have about the most liberal abortion laws in the world, sad to say.

I think some of these links show that this right is being eroded.

Here is a quote form Bubba Carpenter, a state representative from Mississippi:

We have literally stopped abortion in the state of Mississippi. Three blocks from the Capitol sits the only abortion clinic in the state of Mississippi. A bill was drafted. It said, if you would perform an abortion in the state of Mississippi, you must be a certified OB/GYN and you must have admitting privileges to a hospital. Anybody here in the medical field knows how hard it is to get admitting privileges to a hospital…

It’s going to be challenged, of course, in the Supreme Court and all — but literally, we stopped abortion in the state of Mississippi, legally, without having to– Roe vs. Wade. So we’ve done that. I was proud of it. The governor signed it into law. And of course, there you have the other side. They’re like, ‘Well, the poor pitiful women that can’t afford to go out of state are just going to start doing them at home with a coat hanger.’ That’s what we’ve heard over and over and over.

They are trying to push back abortion to the times of coat hangers.

Millions fewer children died in the coat-hanger era. All aborted children get the coat hanger treatment.

[MyReality]

Despite going back to using the "coat hanger", there will now be many women not ready to have a child living in poverty and possibly living a horrendous life. The most likely scenario with women who would've chose an abortion instead of carrying a baby to term is the mother will go into depression, than have the child taken by the state anyway.

To those that say "Just always be prepared" have to realize the majority of people already are, but accidents still tend to happen.


Gotta love these smug politician's who are so happy with themselves that they stopped woman from having an option to go to a clinic for an unwanted pregnancy. Of course the politicians do not care whatsoever about these woman, only about their own ideals and what make them feel good. Obviously i am generalizing a bit here but there is a reason these clinics popped up everywhere in the first place, very soon we will see once again why.

[micatala]

At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?

I vote for neither, the whole birther issue which this is a part of is frankly just plain stupid. His records have been shown to the public, before he could even run for the presidency he had to go through a vetting process to prove he qualified to run for the office. Regardless of where he was born he was born by an american citizen which means he is also an american citizen. Why is it the issue of McCains birthplace never came up during the last race? He was born in Panama which if you follow the logic of your birther buddies would make him ineligible to hold the office of the president.

So why was this 'born in Kenya' thing used up to 2007, I assume with Obama's knowledge?

Yes, you, like Breitbart, are assuming and speculating with no evidence and that is why you both have come to such a silly conclusion.

One assistant makes a mistake and it gets posted on a website and you make it into some kind of calculated political ploy, without providing one shred of evidence that that might be the case.

Erroneous stuff gets posted on the interent all the time and often stays there for long periods of time. This was a bit of info intended for a very small audience, and so it should not be suprising it was not noticed.

Wow so since you think it is ok to bring up a persons past and even vague associations then if you vote for Romney does that mean you are in favor of bullying and cutting the hair of against their wishes people that might be different than you?

Quite a difference between terrorism and normal male school-age behavior. I happen to think Obama's failures since 2009 are a much bigger issue than what Romney did when he was 16. It shows Obama's desperation.

I realize you like to beat the Ayers dead horse without any regard for reality.

Ayers was never "friends" with Obama. Obama never "palled around" with him. Their associations were all minimial and resulted from the actions of others, not Obama and not Ayers. This is nothing more than Breitbart like smear tactics engaged in for political purposes.

[MyReality]

Millions fewer children died in the coat-hanger era. All aborted children get the coat hanger treatment.

What era are you talking about?

[East of Eden]

Despite going back to using the "coat hanger", there will now be many women not ready to have a child living in poverty and possibly living a horrendous life.

By that standard, Steve Jobs and Obama himself would have been good candidates for an abortion. We shouldn't give children the death penalty because they may temporarily live in poverty. Apparently the eugenics movement is still alive.

[East of Eden]

At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?

I vote for neither, the whole birther issue which this is a part of is frankly just plain stupid. His records have been shown to the public, before he could even run for the presidency he had to go through a vetting process to prove he qualified to run for the office. Regardless of where he was born he was born by an american citizen which means he is also an american citizen. Why is it the issue of McCains birthplace never came up during the last race? He was born in Panama which if you follow the logic of your birther buddies would make him ineligible to hold the office of the president.

So why was this 'born in Kenya' thing used up to 2007, I assume with Obama's knowledge?

Yes, you, like Breitbart, are assuming and speculating with no evidence and that is why you both have come to such a silly conclusion.

One assistant makes a mistake and it gets posted on a website and you make it into some kind of calculated political ploy, without providing one shred of evidence that that might be the case.

Erroneous stuff gets posted on the interent all the time and often stays there for long periods of time. This was a bit of info intended for a very small audience, and so it should not be suprising it was not noticed.

That sounds like something the in the tank for Obama MSM would say. Thank God for real journalists like the late Breitbart. I realize to some it is some kind of offense to ask questions about Obama. Funny the MSM has time to dig up stories about the 16 year old Romney giving a haircut to a kid whose hair length violated school standards.

I realize you like to beat the Ayers dead horse without any regard for reality.

Ayers was never "friends" with Obama. Obama never "palled around" with him. Their associations were all minimial and resulted from the actions of others, not Obama and not Ayers. This is nothing more than Breitbart like smear tactics engaged in for political purposes.

That is completely false. Obama had quite a history with this domestic version of Bin Laden.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4126/t ... onnection/

I'll ask you, if Romney's political career was launched in the home of an abortion clinic bomber, would you be OK with that?

[micatala]

At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?

I vote for neither, the whole birther issue which this is a part of is frankly just plain stupid. His records have been shown to the public, before he could even run for the presidency he had to go through a vetting process to prove he qualified to run for the office. Regardless of where he was born he was born by an american citizen which means he is also an american citizen. Why is it the issue of McCains birthplace never came up during the last race? He was born in Panama which if you follow the logic of your birther buddies would make him ineligible to hold the office of the president.

So why was this 'born in Kenya' thing used up to 2007, I assume with Obama's knowledge?

Yes, you, like Breitbart, are assuming and speculating with no evidence and that is why you both have come to such a silly conclusion.

One assistant makes a mistake and it gets posted on a website and you make it into some kind of calculated political ploy, without providing one shred of evidence that that might be the case.

Erroneous stuff gets posted on the interent all the time and often stays there for long periods of time. This was a bit of info intended for a very small audience, and so it should not be suprising it was not noticed.

That sounds like something the in the tank for Obama MSM would say.

Pointless and insubstantive ad hominem. My point stands.

Thank God for real journalists like the late Breitbart.

This is the guy who did the hatchet job on Shirley Sherrod and you are holding him up as a 'real journalist?' real journalists provide facts to support a story that reflect reality. Breitbart cherry picks sound bites to provide a narrative completely at odds with reality. The Sherrod episode is but one example.

I realize to some it is some kind of offense to ask questions about Obama.

Pointless and false ad hominem. I have no objections to people questioning Obama. I object to false and misleading characterizations that are at odds with reality like those in evidence here.

Funny the MSM has time to dig up stories about the 16 year old Romney giving a haircut to a kid whose hair length violated school standards.

Why was it Romney's job to appoint himself hair czar for the school?

I would agree, episodes from the distant past should not be given undue consideration. Romney did a dumb thing. It may have been motivated by anti-day feelings, but I don't think we can say that for certain. I would ask who originally found the story.

I realize you like to beat the Ayers dead horse without any regard for reality.

Ayers was never "friends" with Obama. Obama never "palled around" with him. Their associations were all minimial and resulted from the actions of others, not Obama and not Ayers. This is nothing more than Breitbart like smear tactics engaged in for political purposes.

That is completely false. Obama had quite a history with this domestic version of Bin Laden.

Sorry, you are the one making the false statements.

Falsehood one. Ayers never killed anyone so likening him to Bin Laden is over the top ludicrous. However, I am certainly not here to defend Ayers, only point out your association is again nothing more than over the top spin.


I note the first item in your link is an almost non-existent association of Obama with Ayers father. Do I need to go on?


Please name one association with Ayers that Obama himself initiated. Not with someone else associated with Ayers, but specifically with Ayers. Not an invitation made by a third party to both Obama and Ayers, but an association initiated by Obama.


Palling around implies such intentionality and in fact implies repeated intentional and specific associations.



I challenge you to find even one. If you can't then it is your accusation that is false. So far, I have seen nothing to support your smear association campaign.

[East of Eden]

Pointless and insubstantive ad hominem. My point stands.

You point was an implausible excuse.

Why was it Romney's job to appoint himself hair czar for the school?

I would rather have a POTUS who forced an unwanted haircut on someone at 16 than one who today is forcing the unwanted Obamacare on 300 million people.

I would agree, episodes from the distant past should not be given undue consideration. Romney did a dumb thing. It may have been motivated by anti-day feelings, but I don't think we can say that for certain.

Exactly, so why did the MSM presstitutes even bring it up? They have time for an irrelevant story but have no curiosity about the following missing parts of Obama's life:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q37/ ... ment-4.jpg

Sorry, you are the one making the false statements.

Falsehood one. Ayers never killed anyone so likening him to Bin Laden is over the top ludicrous. However, I am certainly not here to defend Ayers, only point out your association is again nothing more than over the top spin.

Nonsense, a terrorist is a terrorist. Ayers tried to kill people, perhaps he wasn't as smart at Bin Laden. Where did I say his body count was as high as Bin Laden's? Speaking of terrorists, are you going to keep avoiding my question of if Romney started his political career at the house of an abortion bomber it would be OK?

Please name one association with Ayers that Obama himself initiated. Not with someone else associated with Ayers, but specifically with Ayers. Not an invitation made by a third party to both Obama and Ayers, but an association initiated by Obama.

Who knows who initiated what, but if a person of character got an invitation for anything from a terrorist, he would decline. Note RFK's son, I believe, when at the U of I was man enough to veto Ayers for some position. I believe Ayers had said nice things about Sirhan Sirhan. I guess that doesn't bother Obama.

Palling around implies such intentionality and in fact implies repeated intentional and specific associations.

I think the person in whose house your career was launched would count as a pal. Do you think Obama didn't have Ayers' phone number?

I challenge you to find even one. If you can't then it is your accusation that is false. So far, I have seen nothing to support your smear association campaign.

Translation, you refuse to look at facts that make Obama look bad. We're dealing with facts, not a smear campaign.