The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

Sanctified marriage is the Pope's business. If you are a homosexual, do not try to get married by holy rites. Go sign a 'legal' certificate and stay away from the Church. What is 'legal' and what is holy matrimony are two entirely different things. Homosexual marriage is not holy., they are not one in flesh. They are one in idolatrous, sinful deviance.

It's only his business within the Roman Catholic Church. Marriage does not belong to the RRC nor even to Christianity as a whole. No one is talking about forcing any priest or minister to perform a gay marriage. But there are many churches that would be more than happy to perform such marriages.

Your hateful description of gay people should not be applied to a group of people who are simply living according to the nature they were born with.

Prove that people are born gay. That is ultra-liberal dogma that has never amounted to anything but pseudo science.
People become gay because they grow up taking in every vanity and distortion, falling to homosexuality as a way to cope with the fallen world around them. After a while, they become alien to heterosexual inclinations in respect to the idolatry they let in. They are depraved individuals whose favored outlet is those who tell them it is okay. There is no natural way for them to have sex, to have a family, etc. They live after the fact of others, and are vain.

If you ask me, their is a certain 'hatred' not by Christians (real Christians), but rather you and others like you. All you all do is spout 'bigot' and 'hatred' and so on, being pretentious at every turn. Homosexuality is just a convenient outlet for you to hate Christians.

There is a myriad of scientific data that shows nature plays an important part in many aspects of one's identify, including scientifically. Prove straight people are born straight. Just because you may not understand, or accept it, doesn't mean it's psuedo science.
People are even born with both gender's sex organs. I guess they decided that before they were born too, right? Maybe they said "You know what? I think I'm going to live life with both gender identities just to stick-it to those darn christians!"
There are many, many outlets to hate christianity. With the pope's molestors running around the great RCC, seems like christianity is doing more to damage its own creditability than anyone else.

There is no 'scientific data' of such. It is all hearsay. If you do not believe me, go and find it. You will be searching in vain.

The Church has stood for nearly 2000 years. It is the largest and oldest organization on the planet. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, equaling the total amount of the 30,000+ denominations of other alleged 'Christians'.
These denominations are worldly and do not heed Christ, but worldly affairs, and they destroy their selves. Protestants, for example, have become a laughing stock to the world and they don't even realize it. Anglicans have let gays into both the clergy and mass, and they are becoming dwarfed in England by liberals and Muslims.
Every church has and is being breached by the gates of Hell, but the Church is still as infallible and mighty as it always has been just as Scripture states.

The RCC is just one part of The Church Universal.

If it were to be judged as it should be, it becamse apostate at the frst "Chrstmas."

Not to mention the genocides and pogroms blessed by POPES, that we Evangelicals have to wear around our necks too. How many Latin American "Catholics" speak Spanish??? The language of conquest by the sword, musket and lance?

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Silenceinmotion: The Catholic Church IS Christianity. It is the correct definition and practice of the religion of Christ. Scripture gives overwhelming evidence of such and even declares others as heretics right on.

Please show me the scripture that states the RRC is the only true church.

If TRCC is the correct practice of Christ, I'd also like to see where Christ moved around child molestors so they couldn't be found out.

Homosexuals you mean? Why did the pro homosexuals in the RCC keep moving around the other homosexuals that went after boys?

There is a good reason why Evangelicals have such tredpidation about having homosexuality condoned.

Call them what you want. The church of the great god still tried to hide it instead of dealing with it. That seems very "humanistic" than godly.

[connermt]

I wonder ...WWJD?

Here:

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?�

“Haven’t you read,� he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.�

- Matthew 19

So as even you can see, there is not even such a thng as same gender marriage to God.

Those "Christians" that want to invent new doctrines and theology, should do so in a new denomination or religious movement altogether.

And by the way, I notice that these homosexuality approving places are quite fundamentalist in aproach and death grip on being challenged.

Technically, same sex marriage wasn't the subject of the question so you can't use this to say that god is against same sex marriage.
Of course, you can infer it, but you can infer a whole lotta' stuff in the bible if one would like. We could infer that jesus didn't accept anything written in the NT past the four gospels.
I'm sure you also have known every single "homosexuality approving place" so you can speak for them all, yes?

1) You have no Christian dog in this hunt. Why are you chiming in?

2) If you could show ANY support from the Tanakh for same gende marriage then maybe you'ld have an appropriate place to start. But alas, homosexuality is even worse from the law of Moses than it is the Gospels.

3) Any Hasidic or Orthodox Sages that you could present that would lend support for gay sex?

1) To point out your incredibly flawed logic. And to make sense of the senseless
2) No support for any religious group that tries to make the lives of others difficult thru antiquated beliefs of supernatural beings, talking burning bushes, flying carpet riders, etc
3) Why would I? That makes as little sense as your above claim.

1) In other words, yiou only have subterfuge to offer.

2) And of course discarding Biblical religion for some new gay liberation religion.

3) How ancient idoloatry is that.

1) Again, you can call it what you want (it doesn't matter to me). What it is here is a method of trying to avoid the actuality of avoiding the issue entirely. How about addressing the issue instead of avoiding it?
2) To me, all biblical religion needs to be discarded - gay or not - as it's more damaging than uplifiting. Unless, of course, you're part of the "blessed inner circle". Besides, I never mentioned a gay liberation religion. Those are your words
3) The same is said about christianity - praying to a virgin, a piece of wood hanging in a building, praying to long dead saints....

[kayky]

Here:

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?�

“Haven’t you read,� he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.�

- Matthew 19

Even if Jesus had been opposed to gay marriage (he was silent on the subject and the above passage proves nothing), he would simply be speaking from the mores and knowledge of his culture. We have a greater understanding of human sexuality today.

So as even you can see, there is not even such a thng as same gender marriage to God.

You do not know the mind of God.

Those "Christians" that want to invent new doctrines and theology, should do so in a new denomination or religious movement altogether.

No thank you.

And by the way, I notice that these homosexuality approving places are quite fundamentalist in aproach and death grip on being challenged.

No moreso than folks like yourself. I am for social justice, and I believe that denying gays the right to marry is social injustice. Why wouldn't I have the strength of my convictions?

[kayky]

Homosexuals you mean? Why did the pro homosexuals in the RCC keep moving around the other homosexuals that went after boys?

There is a good reason why Evangelicals have such tredpidation about having homosexuality condoned.

It is the utmost of ignorance to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

[99percentatheism]

Silenceinmotion: The Catholic Church IS Christianity. It is the correct definition and practice of the religion of Christ. Scripture gives overwhelming evidence of such and even declares others as heretics right on.

Please show me the scripture that states the RRC is the only true church.

If TRCC is the correct practice of Christ, I'd also like to see where Christ moved around child molestors so they couldn't be found out.

Homosexuals you mean? Why did the pro homosexuals in the RCC keep moving around the other homosexuals that went after boys?

There is a good reason why Evangelicals have such tredpidation about having homosexuality condoned.

Call them what you want. The church of the great god still tried to hide it instead of dealing with it. That seems very "humanistic" than godly.

"By their fruit you will know them."

Christians don't believe everyone that claims to be a Christian is for real. There is a good reason why what Jesus taught should be believed.

"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts."

"Trust in allah, but tie up your camel."

"trust, but verify."

Etc., etc., etc..

[99percentatheism]

Homosexuals you mean? Why did the pro homosexuals in the RCC keep moving around the other homosexuals that went after boys?

There is a good reason why Evangelicals have such tredpidation about having homosexuality condoned.

It is the utmost of ignorance to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

ReallY???

How many tens of millions of dollars has the RCC paid out because of it?

And you look to be in the lost generation failing to learn from history. Look up PEDERASTY.

[SilenceInMotion]

Matthew 16:18
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Don't blame Matthew for your delusion.

Lol, Scripture declares Peter's Church as the Church and you call it a delusion. Scripture even states that those not with it scatter. Notice the amount of denominations there are and how they all just step on each others toes whilst the Church just continues on as it always has, not missing a beat. When you look at the Church, you are practically seeing Jesus' promise visibly at work.

Do you know the definition of delusion? Well, promoting a liberal agenda with a religion that does not support it is pretty delusional, unless of course you are not really religious and simply have no shame in distorting Christianity for your own appeal.

[99percentatheism]

Here:

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?�

“Haven’t you read,� he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.�

- Matthew 19

Even if Jesus had been opposed to gay marriage (he was silent on the subject and the above passage proves nothing), he would simply be speaking from the mores and knowledge of his culture. We have a greater understanding of human sexuality today.

So as even you can see, there is not even such a thng as same gender marriage to God.

You do not know the mind of God.

Those "Christians" that want to invent new doctrines and theology, should do so in a new denomination or religious movement altogether.

No thank you.

And by the way, I notice that these homosexuality approving places are quite fundamentalist in aproach and death grip on being challenged.

No moreso than folks like yourself. I am for social justice, and I believe that denying gays the right to marry is social injustice. Why wouldn't I have the strength of my convictions?

Jesus was silent on marrying pigs and goats too. He was silent on pederasty.

I may not know the mind of God, but as you can attest to since you claim to have read the entire Bible, there is no such thing as same gender marriage taught or approved of ANYWHERE IN the Bible.

So, those of us that hold that silence canot be used logically or honestly to condone Christian gay marriage, have an air tight case for our positions. Those of you that wnat to discard Biblical reality for a new sodom-like morality, have no honest theological leg to stand on.

[99percentatheism]

Matthew 16:18
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Don't blame Matthew for your delusion.

Lol, Scripture declares Peter's Church as the Church and you call it a delusion.

Do you know the definition of delusion? Well, promoting a liberal agenda with a religion that does not support it is pretty delusional, unless of course you are not really religious and simply have no shame in distorting Christianity for your own appeal.

Peter's Church was a Church of Jerusalem Jews.

As a matter of fact.