Romans 1:28-31: (ESV)
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Doesn't this mean that if we do not believe in God, we will act as described?
And if so, can atheists not disprove this passage simply by being kind, considerate, and loving; refraining from the long list of evils above?
Is it fair to say the standard is not too high to reach; that all we have to do is meet or exceed the performance of the average Christian?
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From Post 7:
My morality is suspect, no matter how many buildings I don't fly planes into.
My morality is suspect, no matter how many abortion doctors I don't kill, or abortion buildings I don't blow up.
My morality is suspect, simply 'cause I reject the notion that I need some god up on high to tell me what constitutes right behavior.
No matter what good deeds I do, or heinous acts I don't, that'll never absolve me of the one truly unforgivable sin - not following another man's religion.
And don't that beat all.Moses Yoder wrote: ...
My understanding is morality decreases as it gets further removed from religion.
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My morality is suspect, no matter how many buildings I don't fly planes into.
My morality is suspect, no matter how many abortion doctors I don't kill, or abortion buildings I don't blow up.
My morality is suspect, simply 'cause I reject the notion that I need some god up on high to tell me what constitutes right behavior.
No matter what good deeds I do, or heinous acts I don't, that'll never absolve me of the one truly unforgivable sin - not following another man's religion.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Oh my sweet Jesus!JoeyKnothead wrote: No matter what good deeds I do, or heinous acts I don't, that'll never absolve me of the one truly unforgivable sin - not following another man's religion.
Of all the sins you could have chosen you had to done go and pick that one.
Shame on you!
You must be one of them thar eh theists?
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Divine Insight wrote:Oh my sweet Jesus!JoeyKnothead wrote: No matter what good deeds I do, or heinous acts I don't, that'll never absolve me of the one truly unforgivable sin - not following another man's religion.
Of all the sins you could have chosen you had to done go and pick that one.
Shame on you!
You must be one of them thar eh theists?
Now, now boys. Try to remember it is your duty to set a good example for those less fortunate who are mired in religion. They know not what they do.
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If it means anything, I consider Moses Yoder an honest and good man, and a valued friend, if a foe on particular issues.Danmark wrote: Now, now boys. Try to remember it is your duty to set a good example for those less fortunate who are mired in religion. They know not what they do.
I see nothing in the man's posts that says he wouldn't be willing to share a root beer and some carrying on. I mean like two of 'em, not one, that just ain't my thang
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Well, by golly, forgiv'in the unforgivable is pretty darn hard to dew.Danmark wrote: Now, now boys. Try to remember it is your duty to set a good example for those less fortunate who are mired in religion. They know not what they do.
I try my darndest to pick up a little bit from every major religion in this world.
I've accepted the Confucius Buddhas from the far East.
I righteously stole Jesus from the Christians.
I'm in love with the Moon Goddess of the Wiccans.
I pray to the Faery Goddess every dang blasted chance I git.
I even pay my respects to Wanka Tanka in the natural forests of North America where I now reside.
But, by golly, these dang blasted eh theists ain't even trying as far as I can tell.
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'Ceptin' fer Moses as The Knothead sez. Mebee he kin lead 'em outta the wilderness once agin.Divine Insight wrote:Well, by golly, forgiv'in the unforgivable is pretty darn hard to dew.Danmark wrote: Now, now boys. Try to remember it is your duty to set a good example for those less fortunate who are mired in religion. They know not what they do.
I try my darndest to pick up a little bit from every major religion in this world.
I've accepted the Confucius Buddhas from the far East.
I righteously stole Jesus from the Christians.
I'm in love with the Moon Goddess of the Wiccans.
I pray to the Faery Goddess every dang blasted chance I git.
I even pay my respects to Wanka Tanka in the natural forests of North America where I now reside.
But, by golly, these dang blasted eh theists ain't even trying as far as I can tell.
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hahahahahahahaDivine Insight wrote:Well, by golly, forgiv'in the unforgivable is pretty darn hard to dew.Danmark wrote: Now, now boys. Try to remember it is your duty to set a good example for those less fortunate who are mired in religion. They know not what they do.
I try my darndest to pick up a little bit from every major religion in this world.
I've accepted the Confucius Buddhas from the far East.
I righteously stole Jesus from the Christians.
I'm in love with the Moon Goddess of the Wiccans.
I pray to the Faery Goddess every dang blasted chance I git.
I even pay my respects to Wanka Tanka in the natural forests of North America where I now reside.
But, by golly, these dang blasted eh theists ain't even trying as far as I can tell.
This kinda gets at it real good. Where this atheist is aware of certain Bible deals, I take the goodn's of 'em to heart. I don't go around stealing pies off window sills, 'cause I know they ain't cooked up for me, and If I ask, and I'm willing to do a little yard work or fixing up or such, I'm just as liable to get a slice as who it was cooked up for. And if I'm extra nice doing it, there may be a pile of ice cream on top of it. Or some sweettea at least.
But dangitall, ya say ya don't believe in a god and you'd just as well stole God himself's best liquor.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Post #18
Romans 2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges peoples secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Tex: And lets not also forget what Saint Paul said about the atheist
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges peoples secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Tex: And lets not also forget what Saint Paul said about the atheist
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Well, if ya done stole his best liquor, at least ya believe in spirits.JoeyKnothead wrote: But dangitall, ya say ya don't believe in a god and you'd just as well stole God himself's best liquor.
Ya can't hardly claim to be an eh theists if ya believe in spirits.
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Gosh! Tex. With thet handle, Ah 'spected y'all to git inta the spirit a things a little better'n thet. 'Stead yah jist quote scripture.Tex wrote: Romans 2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges peoples secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Tex: And lets not also forget what Saint Paul said about the atheist
Havent'cha ever met unchurched folk who acted better'n summa those folks yah meet in church?

