Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction
3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God
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Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God
Post #1Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
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Danmark wrote:Somebody please help me here. I've forgotten the exact number, but since about 33 BCE, the 'last days' or 'end times' have been predicted every generation, or rather several times per generation. It never stops. No matter how many times the 'end of the world' as predicted by Christian apocalypse mongers has come and gone, they continue unabated. This may be the single dopiest and irrepressible WRONG 'prediction' in the history of the world.moment_of_faith wrote:Lets run over a few things the bible told us would be the signs of end times.And they would be right wouldn't they! Nothing has happened. A claim which never proves to be true is the very definition of an empty claim. And a claim which hasn't come true after 2,000 years of near hysterical but yet completely futile and empty assertions to the contrary should reasonably serve as a role model for the perfect example of an empty claim. Everyone who lived 2,000 years ago died and is still dead. That is NOT an empty claim.
Israel would become a nation.
They would control Jerusalem
Everyone would turn against them
We would see wars and rumor of wars ( Everyone is in war or wanting to get in)
Nation against nation, Ethnic group against ethnic group " Shite, Sunnis, and the other Muslims. We have states now who are petitions the white house to leave the united states.
the wave and seas would be roaring ( Tsunamis )
Earth Quakes ( 6 or the 10 biggest have been recorded since Israel became a nation)
Famines and pestilence -- They say a lot of the fighting in the Muslim nations have been over food shortages. We are making fuel out of our food supply, we are watching our bread basket dry up and it's killing our food including cattle.
He told us Russia, Iran and a group of Muslim nation would attack Israel -- we see that getting closer not further away. China will be the biggest war and we see them becoming the super power.
Let me ask you this - How much longer do you believe the bible will be with us. With Atheist, Muslims, Hinduism, Buddhism, and so on how much longer do you see the bible surviving?
Back in 1970 when I used to discuss this nonsense with students Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth was all the rage among Evangelicals. Hal made a ton of money flinging the latest incarnation of this bull. His thesis was that since Israel became a country in 1948, the apocalypse would have to follow with in 40 years at the latest. The 1980's came and went and the only thing that has happened is a whole new batch of this silliness has been unleashed.
For 2000 years, every generation of Christians has cried, "These are the last days!" They have all been wrong. But now YOU are right?![]()
And you wonder why people scoff? Scoffing at this nonsense is the only rational response. Or at least the only one permitted here in this forum under the rules.
By the bible we know that the end times could not come before Israel because the last wars are fought basically over the division of Jerusalem. Has anyone look to see what Obama wants Israel to do? He wants them to go back to pre-1967 borders. The division of Jerusalem.
We know we can't predict the day or hour, but Jesus commands us to know the season. He says just as someone is knocking at your door. You know when someone is knocking at your door.
We have been waiting on someway to see the mark of the beast come to be and we have lived to see it through computers and the world slowly but surely going away from money. The mark will be the new currency. You will not buy or sell without it.
We are watching the police state being born right before our eyes. I believe I read the other day they say 30,000 drones in the air by 2020.
We are watching the world have a financial meltdown. This is how the money will become the mark and how the anti-christ takes over
But one more thing and I'm done for this post. Ever since Jesus died on the cross we have been on the clock. Your salvation rest in him. So if people has had to believe it was going to be in their time to save them I say amen.
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The verb you are ineffectually searching for is "to scoff," not "to scoffer." You are not only wrong, you are ungrammatically wrong.moment_of_faith wrote:
Then scoffer on my friend
Then scoffer on my friend -- I have told you I'm not trying to win nothing. So if you would like to scoff then be my guest, but think about what you say. You will scoff. Maybe you should stop scoffing. I would think that is something you are in control of
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So basically 88 years. I say and believe a lot less but if we only have 88 years left and all religions will be gone then as a christian we are living in the end times.My personal opinion is that the free exchange of ideas provided by modern technology will have largely relegated all religion to thing of the past throughout the world by the beginning of the next century. But then I have always been upbeat and optimistic.
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The verb you are ineffectually searching for is "to scoff," not "to scoffer." You are not only wrong, you are ungrammatically wrong.
just deduct a few points. Everything will be ok
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If this is your definition of "end times," then every now defunct religion has experienced an "end times." Most defunct religions died with a whimper, despite the fact that they were believed in implicitly by large numbers of devoted followers at one time. No one even remembers them now, or really cares. And the human race goes on.moment_of_faith wrote: So basically 88 years. I say and believe a lot less but if we only have 88 years left and all religions will be gone then as a christian we are living in the end times.
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Then I guess theirs were wrong. The Lord has told us what will go down. We are still on point and it's the literal pointTired of the Nonsense wrote:If this is your definition of "end times," then every now defunct religion has experienced an "end times." Most defunct religions died with a whimper, despite the fact that they were believed in implicitly by large numbers of devoted followers at one time. No one even remembers them now, or really cares. And the human race goes on.moment_of_faith wrote: So basically 88 years. I say and believe a lot less but if we only have 88 years left and all religions will be gone then as a christian we are living in the end times.
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I don't notice the Lord telling anyone anything. I notice that the NT was written by Christians who recorded in their own writings that their own beliefs are the true beliefs. I also notice that believers of all faiths record in their writings that THEIR own beliefs are the true beliefs. Nor do I see anything especially unusual in that. It's rather to be expected, in fact.moment_of_faith wrote: Then I guess theirs were wrong. The Lord has told us what will go down. We are still on point and it's the literal point.
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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:I don't notice the Lord telling anyone anything. I notice that the NT was written by Christians who recorded in their own writings that their own beliefs are the true beliefs. I also notice that believers of all faiths record in their writings that THEIR own beliefs are the true beliefs. Nor do I see anything especially unusual in that. It's rather to be expected, in fact.moment_of_faith wrote: Then I guess theirs were wrong. The Lord has told us what will go down. We are still on point and it's the literal point.
No the bible says ALL SCRIPTURE was given by GOD and none of the saints even knew what they were writing. Again we know who the last wars are fought between and they are all ready to go and what other religions are you speaking of. Muslims - I have told you their book is based of the bible
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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:I don't notice the Lord telling anyone anything. I notice that the NT was written by Christians who recorded in their own writings that their own beliefs are the true beliefs. I also notice that believers of all faiths record in their writings that THEIR own beliefs are the true beliefs. Nor do I see anything especially unusual in that. It's rather to be expected, in fact.moment_of_faith wrote: Then I guess theirs were wrong. The Lord has told us what will go down. We are still on point and it's the literal point.
Tired of, can you explain to me what MOF meant when he wrote, "We are still on point and it's the literal point"? I'd ask him, but he does not seem to be forthcoming. He hasn't yet addressed yet the issue of the dozens upon dozens of other Christian end of worlders who were wrong and why his idea is correct.
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Danmark wrote:Tired of the Nonsense wrote:I don't notice the Lord telling anyone anything. I notice that the NT was written by Christians who recorded in their own writings that their own beliefs are the true beliefs. I also notice that believers of all faiths record in their writings that THEIR own beliefs are the true beliefs. Nor do I see anything especially unusual in that. It's rather to be expected, in fact.moment_of_faith wrote: Then I guess theirs were wrong. The Lord has told us what will go down. We are still on point and it's the literal point.
Tired of, can you explain to me what MOF meant when he wrote, "We are still on point and it's the literal point"? I'd ask him, but he does not seem to be forthcoming. He hasn't yet addressed yet the issue of the dozens upon dozens of other Christian end of worlders who were wrong and why his idea is correct.
Who are the so called Christians that predicted the end of the world and do we know if they were christian or false teachers. The Lord said many will come

