Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:03 pm

jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God

Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:11 pm

moment_of_faith wrote: No the bible says ALL SCRIPTURE was given by GOD and none of the saints even knew what they were writing.

Now finally we are getting somewhere and perhaps are reaching an accord. You say "...none of the saints even knew what they were writing." That makes sense. If they knew what they were writing, they wouldn't have bothered. I'm betting none of them signed their name to it. I wouldn't. Embarrassment is my guess.

moment_of_faith · Post by **moment_of_faith** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:18 pm

Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: No the bible says ALL SCRIPTURE was given by GOD and none of the saints even knew what they were writing.
Now finally we are getting somewhere and perhaps are reaching an accord. You say "...none of the saints even knew what they were writing." That makes sense. If they knew what they were writing, they wouldn't have bothered. I'm betting none of them signed their name to it. I wouldn't. Embarrassment is my guess.

all glory was given to GOD .. IT's almost mind blowing that someone would give all power to someone else.

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:21 pm

moment_of_faith wrote: Who are the so called Christians that predicted the end of the world and do we know if they were christian or false teachers. The Lord said many will come

M_o_F I gave you a long list of Christians who made end of days claims. Are you saying NONE of them were really Christians. Who are you to judge? I might as well ask you what YOUR credentials are. They claimed to be Christians. I assume you make the same claim. How do we know you are not a 'false teacher' sent here to humiliate genuine Christians by making such weak arguments.

The more I think about it, the more I see how clever it was of these ungodly atheists to have you masquerade as a Christian so they can scoff at your pathetic 'Christian' arguments. I have to admit you had me fooled, for a while.

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:22 pm

Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: Who are the so called Christians that predicted the end of the world and do we know if they were christian or false teachers. The Lord said many will come
M_o_F I gave you a long list of Christians who made end of days claims. Are you saying NONE of them were really Christians? Who are you to judge? I might as well ask you what YOUR credentials are. They claimed to be Christians. I assume you make the same claim. How do we know you are not a 'false teacher' sent here to humiliate genuine Christians by making such weak arguments.

The more I think about it, the more I see how clever it was of these ungodly atheists to have you masquerade as a Christian so they can scoff at your pathetic 'Christian' arguments. I have to admit you had me fooled, for a while.

moment_of_faith · Post by **moment_of_faith** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:33 pm

Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: Who are the so called Christians that predicted the end of the world and do we know if they were christian or false teachers. The Lord said many will come
M_o_F I gave you a long list of Christians who made end of days claims. Are you saying NONE of them were really Christians. Who are you to judge? I might as well ask you what YOUR credentials are. They claimed to be Christians. I assume you make the same claim. How do we know you are not a 'false teacher' sent here to humiliate genuine Christians by making such weak arguments.

The more I think about it, the more I see how clever it was of these ungodly atheists to have you masquerade as a Christian so they can scoff at your pathetic 'Christian' arguments. I have to admit you had me fooled, for a while.

First off I accept Jesus as my lord and savior. I believe Jesus is GOD in the flesh and believed he died for my sins. I believe he beat death and he is very much alive and sitting to the right hand of the father. I repent my sins to him and put my faith of salvation in him.

Now I didn't count the people on your list, but lets say it's 200. So 200 people called for the end of the world out of how many billion of people have lived on earth and they represent all Christians?

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:39 pm

moment_of_faith wrote:
Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: Who are the so called Christians that predicted the end of the world and do we know if they were christian or false teachers. The Lord said many will come
M_o_F I gave you a long list of Christians who made end of days claims. Are you saying NONE of them were really Christians. Who are you to judge? I might as well ask you what YOUR credentials are. They claimed to be Christians. I assume you make the same claim. How do we know you are not a 'false teacher' sent here to humiliate genuine Christians by making such weak arguments.

The more I think about it, the more I see how clever it was of these ungodly atheists to have you masquerade as a Christian so they can scoff at your pathetic 'Christian' arguments. I have to admit you had me fooled, for a while.

First off I accept Jesus as my lord and savior. I believe Jesus is GOD in the flesh and believed he died for my sins. I believe he beat death and he is very much alive and sitting to the right hand of the father. I repent my sins to him and put my faith of salvation in him.

Now I didn't count the people on your list, but lets say it's 200. So 200 people called for the end of the world out of how many billion of people have lived on earth and they represent all Christians?

The question is, why should your claim about the end times be taken any more seriously than their disproved claims?

moment_of_faith · Post by **moment_of_faith** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:44 pm

Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote:
Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: Who are the so called Christians that predicted the end of the world and do we know if they were christian or false teachers. The Lord said many will come
M_o_F I gave you a long list of Christians who made end of days claims. Are you saying NONE of them were really Christians. Who are you to judge? I might as well ask you what YOUR credentials are. They claimed to be Christians. I assume you make the same claim. How do we know you are not a 'false teacher' sent here to humiliate genuine Christians by making such weak arguments.

The more I think about it, the more I see how clever it was of these ungodly atheists to have you masquerade as a Christian so they can scoff at your pathetic 'Christian' arguments. I have to admit you had me fooled, for a while.

First off I accept Jesus as my lord and savior. I believe Jesus is GOD in the flesh and believed he died for my sins. I believe he beat death and he is very much alive and sitting to the right hand of the father. I repent my sins to him and put my faith of salvation in him.

Now I didn't count the people on your list, but lets say it's 200. So 200 people called for the end of the world out of how many billion of people have lived on earth and they represent all Christians?
The question is, why should your claim about the end times be taken any more seriously than their disproved claims?

Because you have a brain and can read / understand the signs the lord laid out for all to see so we would know what season it is.

Remove Israel then maybe we have a major problem. Remove the bible then we may have a major problem, Remove China, Russia, Iran and so one and then we may have a major problem

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:57 pm

moment_of_faith wrote: Because you have a brain and can read / understand the signs the lord laid out for all to see so we would know what season it is.

Remove Israel then maybe we have a major problem. Remove the bible then we may have a major problem, Remove China, Russia, Iran and so one and then we may have a major problem

Sorry. You're not getting off that easy, to offer some generalization. Nothing you've said is any different than what Hal Lindsay said in 1970. In essence it's is no different than any of the hundreds of Christian 'end times' predictions we have had ad naseum.

Why should anyone take YOUR prediction more seriously than any of the other failed predications? Particularly when yours is set out 88 years into the future when most of us, not to mention most of your children will be dead?

Please respond specifically or withdraw your hopelessly naive 'prediction.' Why, specifically, does your doomsday prediction have value compared to all the previous ones, we now see were worthless?

Your 'man of few words' excuse does not hold water. If you have an argument, make it. But I assure you your glib 'we have a problem' and 'understand the signs' just does not cut it. You've held yourself out as someone who can authoritatively predict the end times. You have not backed up your claim. Either prove it, or withdraw your claim.

moment_of_faith · Post by **moment_of_faith** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:05 pm

Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: Because you have a brain and can read / understand the signs the lord laid out for all to see so we would know what season it is.

Remove Israel then maybe we have a major problem. Remove the bible then we may have a major problem, Remove China, Russia, Iran and so one and then we may have a major problem
Sorry. You're not getting off that easy, to offer some generalization. Nothing you've said is any different than what Hal Lindsay said in 1970. In essence it's is no different than any of the hundreds of Christian 'end times' predictions we have had ad naseum.

Why should anyone take YOUR prediction more seriously than any of the other failed predications? Particularly when yours is set out 88 years into the future when most of us, not to mention most of your children will be dead?

Please respond specifically or withdraw your hopelessly naive 'prediction.' Why, specifically, does your doomsday prediction have value compared to all the previous ones, we now see were worthless?

Your 'man of few words' excuse does not hold water. If you have an argument, make it. But I assure you your glib 'we have a problem' and 'understand the signs' just does not cut it. You've held yourself out as someone who can authoritatively predict the end times. You have not backed up your claim. Either prove it, or withdraw your claim.

Mine is not set out 88 years. I believe we are on the clock and time is running out. Also did Hal pick a day? IN the last 40 years have we gone away from the end times or have we got closer to it? Also Daniel tells us in the end times knowledge shall increase. This is because we will be able to see things come into better focus.

The world is set up more for end times then we have ever been at any given time.

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:12 pm

moment_of_faith wrote:
Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: Because you have a brain and can read / understand the signs the lord laid out for all to see so we would know what season it is.

Remove Israel then maybe we have a major problem. Remove the bible then we may have a major problem, Remove China, Russia, Iran and so one and then we may have a major problem
Sorry. You're not getting off that easy, to offer some generalization. Nothing you've said is any different than what Hal Lindsay said in 1970. In essence it's is no different than any of the hundreds of Christian 'end times' predictions we have had ad naseum.

Why should anyone take YOUR prediction more seriously than any of the other failed predications? Particularly when yours is set out 88 years into the future when most of us, not to mention most of your children will be dead?

Please respond specifically or withdraw your hopelessly naive 'prediction.' Why, specifically, does your doomsday prediction have value compared to all the previous ones, we now see were worthless?

Your 'man of few words' excuse does not hold water. If you have an argument, make it. But I assure you your glib 'we have a problem' and 'understand the signs' just does not cut it. You've held yourself out as someone who can authoritatively predict the end times. You have not backed up your claim. Either prove it, or withdraw your claim.
Mine is not set out 88 years. I believe we are on the clock and time is running out. Also did Hal pick a day? IN the last 40 years have we gone away from the end times or have we got closer to it? Also Daniel tells us in the end times knowledge shall increase. This is because we will be able to see things come into better focus.

The world is set up more for end times then we have ever been at any given time.

More generalities. Hal's is one of hundreds, but at least he picked a year, 1988.

What is your pick? Can you defend it? What specifically are your arguments for your year of prediction? So far, you have made no argument, no case, nothing that could not have been said hundreds if not more than a thousand years ago. Just admit you can't do it, or produce your argument.

"I believe we are on the clock and time is running out," could have been said 2000 years ago . . . and come to think of it, it was. What have you got that is more predictive than a fortune cookie?